讨论页工程

维基媒体基金会的项目 Talk Pages Project 改进默认讨论页使用体验，提升wiki内交流效果。 群組： Editing 开始： 2019-09-30 结束： 2023 成员： Bartosz Dziewoński, David Chan, David Lynch, Esther Akinloose, Marielle Volz, Rummana Yasmeen, Nicolas Ayoub, Sherry Snyder 积压工作： #owc2020 主导： Ed Sanders 管理： Peter Pelberg (product), Valerie Puffet-Michel (engineering), James McLeod (program)

此页面介绍编辑团队为改善维基百科贡献者使用讨论页的交流体验而作出的工作。

在这篇文章里，您可以找到这项计划的目标，以前曾经做过什么事情，如何影响了这项计划，以及为何改进讨论页成为了一项迫切的任务。

倡议

在这个章节，我们将会列出这个项目如何积极工作和如何被有效利用的。

每个项目都致力于改进贡献者在维基百科上使用对话页面以进行高效交流。

项目

• 部分完成 使用者簽名的新要求 （活跃） : 编纂定制的用户签名要求，以提高谈话页功能的可靠性。
• 进行中 可用性 （活跃） : 寻找新的布局和信息，以更容易地评估讨论活动。

完成的工作

•  完成 讨论回复工具 （活跃） : 一键回复讨论页面的评论。
•  完成 新话题工具 （活跃） : 开始新话题而无需离开当前页面。
•  完成 通知 （活跃） : 当有人在特定讨论中发表新评论时接收通知。
•  完成 移动版 （活跃） : 全新的功能和外观，让您在较小的屏幕上也能舒适地参与谈话页面。
•  完成 Permalinks - link to and locate talk pages comments and topics everywhere they are referenced.

部署状况

请访问Talk pages project/Deployment Status 以了解每个维基媒体维基是否以及如何使用讨论页计划功能。

Some Wikipedias are participating in this project as "partner wikis". This means new communication tools for talk pages will be deployed to these wikis first so we can work together to refine them. If you would like to see these new tools deployed to your wiki, please leave a message on the talk page.

更新

截至2023年3月，通过扩展:讨论工具 发表的新话题和回复数已超过3,000,000。 这相当于wiki上发表的签名评论的四分之一。

过去的更新发布在“更新”子页面上。 团队利用该页面分享有关新功能开发的信息、部署计划和问题。 单独功能的更新会发布到该功能的子页面，例如讨论页计划/回复#更新。

您也可以考虑从另外两个位置检查更新：

• Phabricator – 了解团队的日常工作。
• 编辑团队的新闻

Objectives

Wikipedia depends on contributors collaborating, and communication is an important part of the collaborative process.

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Trouble is, communicating on Wikipedia happens on talk pages which can be challenging for contributors across experience levels to use.

Contributors with more experience report being slowed down by having to do something manual in order for other contributors "to know who posted what, and when, so they can follow the thread of a conversation, post on a user talk page if appropriate, and even just know whether a posting is recent enough to be worth responding to."^[2]

Newer contributors on the other hand, find basic tasks, like replying to a comment, confusing. In some instances, these contributors even confuse talk pages for article pages.^[3]

The Editing Team has two key objectives with this project. To create tools that:

1. Make it more intuitive for newcomers to communicate with others so they can grow into productive contributors.^[4]
2. Give experienced contributors more leverage to communicate and coordinate their wiki work with others.

This project is an outcome of the 2019 Talk Pages Consultation, a 5-month long effort that brought volunteers on 20 wikis, across 15 languages and four projects (Wikipedia, Commons, Wikidata and Wiktionary) together with members of the Wikimedia Foundation to share their experiences with existing wiki communication tools and to help develop improvements to them.

The Talk pages project supports the Wikimedia Movement's Medium Term Plan. Specifically, the plan's Thriving Movement priority area which strives to "welcome and support newcomers." We think newer contributors learning and progressing depends on their ability to communicate with more experienced contributors, and by extension, to use talk pages intuitively.^[4]

词汇表

The talk pages project glossary is intended to help us all communicate about talk pages more effectively by making sure we have a shared understanding about the words we use in our discussions and documentation throughout the project.

參考資料

Many projects have, and are, working to improve contributors' experiences with talk pages. This particular project is better off for their existence. Some of the projects the team continues to learn from are listed below.

If there is a project and or resource you think we should be aware of, please say something on the talk page.

Talk page projects:

• Convenient Discussions
• Discussion tools in the past
• Moderated Testing, November 2014: talk pages and Flow
• Flow satisfaction survey
• Reply-link (en.wiki)
• Reply Links (pl.wiki)
• 2019年討論頁諮詢

常见问题

When will the new version of talk pages be released?

There will not be a "new version" of talk pages that will get released all at once. Instead, this project will be made up of a series of incremental improvements that will be released over time.

How are talk pages going to change?

• Some features may involve introducing new wikitext.

Although, any changes to wikitext will be limited to those that enable new features that benefit contributors. Features like replying to specific comments or watchlisting particular discussions.

• Potentially changing where the "Discussion" tab exists on the page

• Potentially changing where metadata – that currently exists atop some talk pages – is presented

相关页面

• 扩展:讨论工具
  • Reply Tool visual mode limitations
  • Extension:DiscussionTools/How it works
  • Special:ChangeContentModel - for admins who need to disable 結構式討論 on a talk page for testing
  • Extension:DiscussionTools/New Topic Methods - for checking how the New Topic Tool handles custom workflows for starting new talk page sections
• Feature summary
• Existing tools
• Glossary
• 帮助:讨论工具
  • Why can't I reply to this comment?
• New topic
• Participate

• Partner wiki discussions:

• • 阿拉伯语维基百科
  • 荷兰语维基百科
  • 法语维基百科
  • 匈牙利语维基百科
• Project updates
• Replying
• Replying prototype testing
• Talk pages project (en.wiki)