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Sdkb (talkcontribs)

Hi @KStoller-WMF! Since you mentioned yesterday that this was a potential project for the coming year, I wanted to stop by and offer some early thoughts.

Overall, this project would touch on a lot of cultural aspects, which introduces some uncertainty as wikiculture can always change. One path I could easily see this taking, though, is that if a structured user profile is offered to newcomers, it'll quickly become associated with them, and no matter how good its features, users will want to stop using it as soon as they become experienced enough to learn its reputation.

Newcomers are often very eager to create user profiles, so I don't think you'd have any issue with uptake. But before we get too excited about that, uptake alone wouldn't be enough. The community has made very clear that userpages are not just a blank canvas, but rather required to aid in the development of the encyclopedia. If an easier way to make userpages resulted in newcomers doing so, but then never going on to make edits to articles, that doesn't help us.

Worse, the ability to create a userpage is currently an incentive for newcomers to learn basic wikitext. If an easier way to create a profile was introduced, this incentive would be removed.

Given all that, I'm not sure this is something to prioritize, given that it's high-effort for uncertain benefit and has drawbacks. I'll note that, while an editor proposed it for the 2022 wishlist, it didn't do all that well — in the bottom half in terms of number of votes, and several opposes despite those being uncommon for wishlist items. For lower-effort alternatives, I think the community could perhaps improve the editnotice for blank userpages to help alleviate the "what do I do with this space?" question; your input would be welcome on that, but there would not be any technical elements that'd require developer support.

Cheers,

KStoller-WMF (talkcontribs)

Thank you so much for spending the time to attend meetings and offer your thoughts!

the ability to create a userpage is currently an incentive for newcomers to learn basic wikitext. If an easier way to create a profile was introduced, this incentive would be removed.

This is a very important insight. I agree that this is a project that has uncertain benefits, I could even see this having a negative impact if approached in the wrong way.

I would definitely want to try a small experiment before we invested a lot of time into a project like this. Something like allowing just one small part of the userpage to be structured, like a mini guide on how to add language fluency or something like that. Perhaps that would reduce the initial barrier to entry, and then the newcomer will be more likely try more unstructured edits to their user page.

That all being said, I'm not sure even a small experiment will end up getting prioritized next fiscal year. As of now there are other projects that we already have some research and experiment data to suggest they will be successful in improving newcomer retention.

For lower-effort alternatives, I think the community could perhaps improve the editnotice for blank userpages to help alleviate the "what do I do with this space?" question

I think this is a great idea! I haven't spent that much time thinking about this, but I'm happy to spend some time considering this and chatting with our UX designer about improved copy for the edit notice if you think my feedback might be helpful.

Sdkb (talkcontribs)

I'm happy to spend some time considering this and chatting with our UX designer about improved copy for the edit notice if you think my feedback might be helpful.

Yes, certainly! The current notice text was a little tricky to find. It appears to be at w:MediaWiki:Newarticletext, producing what you'll see at e.g. here. I notice that there's nothing at all talking about what a userpage is for or what you should put on it.

One area for technical improvement that I see: There currently doesn't appear to be any way to present different text based on whether or not it's your userpage vs. someone else's, as I don't think {{subst :REVISIONUSER}} would work in an editnotice. That limits how tailored we can make the message. Is there a Phabricator ticket that'd address that? Cheers,

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