Topic on Project talk:Help/Flow

Not sure if this is a "feature" (I hope not!) or a bug, but fr-wiki is not displaying interlanguage links for project space. To demonstrate the problem:

1. Start at this Afd at en-wiki
   • notice the two interlanguage links in the sidebar for "Español" and "Français".
   • Click the Spanish link:
2. This brings you to this Spanish Afd, as expected.
   • notice the two interlanguage links in the sidebar for "English" and "Français".
   • Click the French link.
3. This brings you to this French Afd, as expected.
   • notice that there is no language sidebar for French. This is expected for French Wikipedia.
   • Notice that the vector-language-sidebar-alert (message notifying users that the language links have been moved top right) is missing. This is unexpected for fr-wiki.
   • Notice that to the right of the title at page top, there is no language list dropdown. This is unexpected for fr-wiki.

It appears that you cannot navigate from the French Afd to either of the other two via interlanguage links, although you can do so, from the English and Spanish pages. What's going on?

Hi, please see the sidebar. Thanks!

AKlapper (WMF) What sidebar? The sidebar on this page? Do you mean the sidebar at the French Afd? There is nothing there of interest. Here is the entire sidebar on the French page, top to bottom:

Débuter sur Wikipédia
Aide
Communauté
Modifications récentes
Faire un don

Pages liées
Suivi des pages liées
Téléverser un fichier
Pages spéciales
Lien permanent
Informations sur la page

Créer un livre
Télécharger comme PDF
Version imprimable

@AKlapper (WMF): , Can you respond to the "what sidebar" comment above? Thx.

Hmm, good question, I'm afraid I don't remember that from months ago, sorry! (I'm afraid though that this isn't the best place though per Please do not post support questions here on Project talk:Help)

The French language link is pointing to a Talk page (Discussion:) rather than an article page. I'm guessing that's the cause of the issue.

That's a good conjecture, I wonder if it accounts for it. Does this mean that interlanguage links are displayed *neither* in the language sidebar, *nor* in the top-right drop down on French Wikipedia, if the namespaces don't match? If someone bothers to add the link to a different namespace on purpose, why shouldn't they be linked? (Assuming the conjecture is correct.)

I tried adding two manual interwikis to the French page, pointing to the Spanish and English ones, but even that will not place language links on the page. From where I sit, it's a bug not to have the interwikis specified by Wikidata appear on the French page, and it's another bug to suppress manual interwikis edited directly onto the page.

I think you must be right, because I added manual interwikis for en-wiki and es-wiki to the (non-existent) project page on fr-wiki, and it shows the proper interlanguage links in preview mode. (Interestingly, it shows them in the left sidebar, and *not* in the top-right dropdown.)

I tried a hack, by creating the French project page as a redirect to the Talk page, and relinked wikidata to point to the Project page instead. This doesn't seem to have worked, though, because the sidebar links at en-wiki and es-wiki still point to the French talk space page, so maybe there's a lag before Wikidata is propagated, or maybe I missed a purge, or maybe it follows the redirect correctly, but then suppresses the links as before, so we're no better after the hack, than before it.

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Update: the link is now to the article space subpage on fr-wiki, which *does* have interlang links now to es and en-wikis; however the subpage redirects to the Afd (in Talk space) which doesn't display the interlang links, so from the PoV of an fr-wiki user, we're no better off than before, because they still are unaware that there arep wikidata links to es and en-wiki.

The only other solution that I can think of, which is also a hack, is to make Jardin botanique alpin Daniella/Admissibilité a soft redirect. Then the interlanguage links would work correctly on that page, but people would have to click through to get to the actual Afd page.

The French dialect interface is indicating to a Conversation page ( Dialog:) instead of an editorial page. I'm speculating that's the cause of the issue.

Got a notification that this was "closed"; not sure if that's a time-out because of no comments in three months, but unless it's really resolved, it should't be closed. Being patient for a resolution, is not the same as losing interest in one. If this really has been resolved, can we get an explanation of what caused the original problem, and/or how it was fixed? Thanks.