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Version 2.0 testing feedback

TASK #4: What are your initial impressions of the tool? What stands out to you? Do you find something particularly eye-catching? Confusing?

It is fine. Only one negative point: I needed one big second to find where the style buttons were. I think they are too far to the right (on a large screen like mine).

TASK #5: Could you figure out how to write and style a comment in the tool's visual mode do so? What did you think of this experience?

Easily, but default mode should be "visual". Only one negative point: I needed one big second to find where the style buttons were. I think they are too far to the right (on a large screen like mine).

TASK #6: Could you figure out how to ping someone who has commented in the section you are replying in? What did you think of this experience?

Yes. Fine.

TASK #7: Could you figure out how to ping someone who has not commented in the section you are replying in? What did you think of this experience?

Yes (same way). Fine.

TASK #8: Could you figure out how to delete the ping you created in Task #7? What did you think of this experience?

Yes (click on link and then on the button to delink). Fine.

TASK #9: Could you figure out how to see the comment you were writing in the visual mode, in the source mode before posting the comment to the talk page? What – if any – part the wikitext looked different from how you expected?

Yes; it was perfect.

TASK #10: Could you figure out how to post the comment you had written in Tasks #1 - #9 to the talk page? Yes. The big blue button (not the software :P) helped. But as for the style buttons, this button is very far on the right on my screen.

TASK #11: Does the diff you created by posting a comment look as you expected? What – if anything – were you surprised to see?

Yes. Nothing.

OVERALL: If there are other comments or questions you would like to make the team aware of, please write them here. Nice tool for both beginners and experienced users.

hi @Jules* thank you giving the tool and try and sharing the feedback you have with us...this is helpful.

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I needed one big second to find where the style buttons were. I think they are too far to the right (on a large screen like mine).

The formatting tools being hard to reach seems to be a recurring patterns; I've added what you shared to the description of the task where we will consider how to make the tools easier to access while composing a comment: phab:T252445.

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Easily, but default mode should be "visual"

What leads you to think this? The empirical evidence we have suggests this as well, tho I am curious to hear what is leading you to think this.

Hi @PPelberg (WMF). Regarding your question: on Wikipedia articles, I only use Wikicode, like a lot of experienced Wikipedians, because I'm going faster with it to do formatting and add templates (I know their names and syntax, so VE is useless to me and just need more time)... and I use templates a lot ;-).

But on a talkpage:

• there is no real need to use wikicode (not much templates or avanced code to use in most cases) so VisualEditor seems to me more suitable and fast (and the ping fonctionnality with only an arobase is great);
• newcommers should land on the VisualEditor: it is really easier for them to use.

P.-S.: regarding your comment: as I am using Flow right now, I see that formatting buttons are on the bottom left of the edit box, and I find it easier to find, more ergonomic. But in most text editors like Word or LibreOffice, formatting buttons are on the top-left; that's probably what people are used to, so it may be the best location. for it.

Kind regards.