Topic on Talk:Content translation

16:04, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

This is a bug report.

This is the same case which I reported earlier. I will report again because it is clearly visible.

I tried to create ja: Putlana Nature Reserve translating fr: Réserve_naturelle_de_Poutorana, I was warned by edit filter #13 and I could not publish it. Since this warning was displayed for the first template, I published the text after removing the template. It is first editon . After publishing, I add the same template. It is the second edition . The difference shows the template in question and the default.

By the way, writing this report, I noticed that the edit filter will not work before publishing, if the toot works properly, .

When I reported last time, I thought it was a problem of cooperation with the filter function.

However, if the tool works properly, the filter function should not work at the editing stage.

Please investigate and fix it.

16:04, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

HaussmannSaintLazare, tu pourrais nous traduire cette contribution de 16h04 en français si c'est ta langue ?

Merci

16:08, 17 March 2020 (UTC) (addition) Sorry. Destination article is ja:プトラナ自然保護区 not ja: Putlana Nature Reserve

16:08, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

16:39, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Merci, Tubamirum !!!

En raison de votre demande, j'ai traduit le texte anglais en français avec la traduction GOOGLE.

Je ne comprenais pas le français, j'ai donc fait une traduction inverse et vérifié.

Je ne pense pas qu'il y ait une grosse erreur, mais veuillez signaler tout point déroutant.

Ceci est un rapport de bogue.

C'est le même cas que j'ai signalé plus tôt. Je ferai de nouveau rapport car il est clairement visible.

J'ai essayé de créer en traduisant , j'ai été averti par le filtre d'édition # 13 et je n'ai pas pu le publier. Étant donné que cet avertissement s'est affiché pour le premier modèle, j'ai publié le texte après avoir supprimé le modèle. C'est la première édition . Après la publication, j'ajoute le même modèle. Il s'agit de la deuxième édition . La différence montre le modèle en question et le modèle par défaut.

Au fait, en écrivant ce rapport, j'ai remarqué que le filtre d'édition ne fonctionnera pas avant la publication, si le toot fonctionne correctement,.

Lorsque j'ai signalé la dernière fois, je pensais que c'était un problème de coopération avec la fonction de filtre.

Cependant, si l'outil fonctionne correctement, la fonction de filtrage ne devrait pas fonctionner au stade de l'édition.

Veuillez enquêter et corriger.

HaussmannSaintLazare (talk) 16:39, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought when viewing your ID (HaussmannSaintLazare) that you are french !

Thank you for your translation. Unfortunatly, it doesn't help me. In the french wiki's discussions, I reported this bug to a Mediawiki specialist called Trizek who will investigate.

Tubamirum (talk) 18:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC) (french Wiki contributor)

17:24, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Tubamirum !!!

I understand why you requested me to write in French.

By the way, I want to read the french wiki's discussions. So, please write the links to them. Thank you !!!

17:24, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi @HaussmannSaintLazare,

Edit filters are defined by each Wikipedia community, and they affect all kinds of content, not only pages created with Content Translation. You can check the code for edit filter #13 on French Wikipedia. You may consider reporting issues with the filter in this talk page on French Wikipedia.

Thanks!

Hello Pginer-WMF !!!

First, I point out the obvious mistake. My translation is not from English to French, but from English to Japanese.

I first contacted the Japanese edit filter developer, because I thought it as a problem with edit filter # 13.

But now I am convinced that this is a MediaWiki issue, not an edit filter issue. That is because this edit filter works for the whole article, but the error message is for a paragraph.

The error can be caused by MediaWiki's edit filter function.

But it is definitely a MediaWiki issue anyway.

This error occurs occasionally.

In particular, it seems to occur when editing a paragraph with a template or links.

I feel that it occurs when I swap the words, because Japanese has a different word order from English, and GOOGLE translation often makes a strange order, .

Pginer-WMF probably doesn't understand Japanese. However, even if it is a random edit that has no meaning in Japanese, it will not bother other users unless it is published, so I would like you to try it and reproduce it.

Thank you !!!

(Original in Japanese)

Hello Pginer-WMF !!!

まず、明らかな間違いを指摘しておくと、私の翻訳は英語版からフランス語版への翻訳ではなく、英語版から日本語版への翻訳です。

私も最初は編集フィルター#13の問題だと考えて、日本語版の編集フィルター開発者に連絡しました。

しかし、その後この問題はMediaWikiの問題であり、編集フィルターの問題ではないと確信しています。

それは、この編集フィルターが記事全体に対して働くものであるのに、エラーメッセージはパラグラフに対して出るからです。

あるいは、エラーを起こしているのはMediaWikiの編集フィルター機能なのかもしれません。

しかし、いずれにせよMediaWikiの問題であることは間違いありません。

このエラーは比較的頻発しています。

特に、テンプレートやリンクのあるパラグラフを編集した時に起きるようです。

日本語は英語と語順が異なる上、GOOGLE翻訳でもおかしな順番になることが多いので、それを入れ替えた時に発生しているように感じています。

Pginer-WMFさんはおそらく日本語を理解できないのでしょう。しかし、日本語として意味のないでたらめな編集であっても公開しなければ他の利用者に迷惑をかけることはないので、試してみて再現していただきたいと思います。

Thank you !!!

HaussmannSaintLazare (talk) 17:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry it was from French to Japanese not English to Japanese.

it is not changed that edit filter #13 is in ja.wikipedia.

HaussmannSaintLazare (talk) 17:31, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry again.

Apparently in the first report, I have mistaken the GOOGLE translation operation and it made difficult to understand. Once again, I wrote. From the same fr:Réserve naturelle de Poutorana, I created ja:プトラナ自然保護区 and en:Draft:Poutorana nature reserve. The error occurred in ja:プトラナ自然保護区. There did not occur the error in en:Draft:Poutorana nature reserve. The English version seems to be less error-prone because machine translation cannot be used.

度々すみません。どうも最初の報告でGOOGLE翻訳の操作を間違えて分かりにくくなってしまったようです。もう一度説明すると、同じfr:Réserve naturelle de Poutoranaを元にしてja:プトラナ自然保護区とen:Draft:Poutorana nature reserveを作成しています。このうちエラーを起こしたのは、ja:プトラナ自然保護区のほうでen:Draft:Poutorana nature reserveのほうはエラーを起こしていません。英語版は機械翻訳が使えないためかエラーが起きにくいように思います。

HaussmannSaintLazare (talk) 17:49, 25 March 2020 (UTC)