Topic on Talk:Reading/Readers contributions via Android/Outcome

Ideas to go further:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP_game to gamify image tagging
• special:deadendpages - ask readers to link these page
• Special:LonelyPages - ask readers to provide links to these pages
• Special:Withoutimages - this is something that isn't even currently possible on wikimedia as the page doesn't exist. It would also be very expensive on huge wikis, so might not work at all
• Add categories to pages

This investigation was quite interesting and reasonably carried out. But as usual these kinds of things tend to exclude non-English speakers, as evidenced by the fact that there isn't a single non-english suggestion in the list. They might even have interesting ideas that don't occur to larger wikis due to their heavy use of bots. Although it is understandable that this wasn't designed to be as extensive as the community wishlist.

Perhaps before future research in both well liked and "disliked" ideas, Extension:Quicksurveys could be create a translated survey. It might even be improved to take freeform ideas for such projects, allowing staff to later translate, remove all spammy stuff, and provide a page for discussions of such ideas.

Contributors to this informal discussion from bigger wikis might be blind to the needs of smaller wikis due to the heavy amount of vandalism and issues experienced on that scale. What may work terribly on a big wiki might in fact be perfect in a smaller wikipedia, and might later even be adapted to cater for larger wikis. A good example is Extension:ContentTranslation which larger wikis probably don't care for due to the potential for vandalism, and the amount of errors added by non-native speakers.

A smaller wiki may welcome such tools even with all their flaws due to the fact that they can gradually improve such articles.

I'm involved on others wikis than English Wikipedia and I kind of disagree with you. :) Work on disambiguation and add relevant images can be used on any Wikipedia, work on micro contributions on Wikidata if useful for all Wikipedias (and Wikidata), tag images is a Commons thing...

IF you have any suggestion for smaller wikis, they are still very welcome! :)

You misunderstood, the ideas are fine, but they represent a small number of english speakers (both native and non-native) from big wikis. Smaller wikis have bigger problems such as actually attracting contributors, while someone mentioned that they were worried about "hat collectors", for a smaller wiki hat collectors may even be welcome as they may be turned into full time editors who make useful contributors.

As for as an idea, I'd say Wikimedia needs to either consult gamification experts or outright hire one. There are so many tasks that are easy to gamify, yet are currently slow and cumbersome due to the normal editing mode. For example, the easiest tasks involve either identifying objects to make it easier for people adding it to articles, or actually identifying all images that actually relate directly to an article. For example, the current wikidata image idea relies mainly on finding one image to represent a wikidata item, it could conceivably be a fun task to identify as many images that fit any wikidata item. This is a very tedious task for experienced editors, but casual readers could maybe be prompted to do this while reading an article.

You've had luis von ahn a gamification expert in Wikimania, he created a game, which would be perfect for wikimedia (if it were adapted):

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP_game
• labeling-images.pdf

Even without the Commons structured data, this is entirely possible using wikidata. In fact, this data will likely always remain on wikidata. Commons will probably only contain metatada directly related to the image itself, and fetch the rest from wikidata.

For smaller images such tagging would provide them with more choices for actual images to use in an article.

You should also have a look at rs.wikia.com/wiki/Special:community . It is a similar concept to the wikihow page, except that it is completely automatic, and some of those wouldn't work well at all on big wikis.

For example, it is completely possible to have some reports on smaller wikis like:

• special:deadendpages - ask readers to link these page
• Special:LonelyPages - ask readers to provide links to these pages
• Special:Withoutimages - this is something that isn't even currently possible on wikimedia as the page doesn't exist. It would also be very expensive on huge wikis, so might not work at all

See, there are differences to the needs of big wikis vs small. Some big wikis might not even want any image on certain pages, while smaller wikis would probably welcome it.

The simplest would probably be to add a tool for mobile readers to add categories to page. This is quite trivial to do, and the main reason it isn't done is probably due to the fact that a) Big wikis would likely be strongly against it, b) there is an expectation of vandalism.

This would again be easy to solve by having a sort of counter from randomly selected readers before the edits go live, although it is conceivable that smaller wikis wouldn't have that problem anyway.

Thank you for your replies. I've summarized the discussion with your ideas. We will consider these ideas for the next steps.

Luis von Ahn talk at Wikimania London was really inspirational to me. It is indeed a good idea to have someone with a gamification background to provide ideas. I'll discuss about it with the team.

The idea of having a community board with things to do has been proposed as a project for the Collaboration team for the coming fiscal year (July 2017 - June 2018).

Concerning changes that may be subject to posible vandalism (even though I believe in good faith), we can imagine to have a double-checked entry. User A is asked to add a category to a page. Then, user B (another "player") is asked to confirm if it is correct. If so, the edit is done a A's edit. When A (or B) have donne enough quality edits, they don't have to go through that confirmation process anymore.

> User A is asked to add a category to a page. Then, user B (another "player") is asked to confirm if it is correct. If so, the edit is done a A's edit. When A (or B) have donne enough quality edits, they don't have to go through that confirmation process anymore.

Exactly the point. This is a mechanism that should be explored for mobile micro-edits in general (a la Extension:FlaggedRevisions) maybe as a "FlaggedMicroRevisions".