Has anyone published a guesstimate of the amount of money that was wasted on this terrible idea?
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Look at this thread, they actively deny VE on talk pages, probably to push this failed bullshit Flow. This is just a weask forum impersonation, without any of the flexibilities the current system has. Dumbed down beyond recognition to increase the facebookisation.
you summed it up nicely here: "preferred to create shiny new bling instead of boring maintenance".
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VanityProject
Flow is a vanity project, just like LT was.
They did a so-called Flow satisfaction survey, but under completely bogus assumptions: They artificially created a rift between wysiwyg and proper talk pages, although that's just a decision by the WMF not to implement it on talk pages, without real merit. They based a lot of the questions ion this bogus assumption, so the answers are just rubbish. Of course asked this way: old fashioned editor or wysiwyg-editor, and the second only possible with flow, you'll get the answers, that were intended by this: I want wysiwyg, so I have to want Flow.
It's this complete dishonesty about projects like Flow that's so frustrating. They seem to do anything, including blatant lies, to push their pet projects against the community. Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden) 17:28, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
The WMF should not be allowed to use surveys because they are using them to get the result they want instead of trying to determine what the consensus is.
They use surveys on external servers, and they only invite a small group of people, because they know the majority disagrees with them. We should have an RfC on en.wiki instead.
There was an RfC on enWP already, and Flow was planted in the bin: T148611.
They will probably get the same results on deWP, if they dare to introduce this piece of junk there anywhere.
Bur as you see on this baloney "survey", they don't like real feedback based on facts, they live on those kind of alternative facts like the groper in chief and his lackeys. Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden) 14:43, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, He7d3r, for fixing my wrong syntax. I tried to do this the usual way, via the thanks link in the version history, but thanks to Flow that's impossible. So I had to use this quite elaborate way ;) Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden) 08:38, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
@Sänger I do not think we've ever received an official reply to this answer.
No, and I don't expect any. They still maintain this fairytale about a dichotomy between wysiwyg and talk pages, the one that was the base of this completely useless "survey" I mentioned above. They even implemented VE in discussions themselves in the 2017 Community Wishlist Survey, but in this still insist that very discussions with VE that it's not possible and moved this simple wish, that could be done in no time with probably just a simple check in a checkbox, to "not possible", because those who desperately want Flow don't want better real talk pages. Grüße vom Sänger ♫(Reden) 09:28, 9 December 2017 (UTC)