Topic on Talk:Citoid

Hi, I'd like to know if there is any ETA on enabling this excellent extension on Polish Wikipedia. I've been using Zotero for years now and it works wonders, I'm glad there's an easier way to use its potential on wiki. Or can we install it ourselves?

We don't have a specific timeline for rolling it out to each project yet. Technically, any admin can install it, although it's not very simple. You have to make a list like this one at en.wp, and you must have good TemplateData on the citation templates, or it won't work.

But before you try to turn it on, I strongly recommend thinking about what sources are commonly used at pl.wp, and testing them to see whether Zotero supports them. This will be easier for you since you're familiar with Zotero already. The service is rather Anglo-centric, and if Polish is poorly supported, then it might be an exercise in frustration for most editors.

Do you know how to write translators for Zotero? When this starts spreading, we will probably have a lot of requests.

A quick note to let you know that as of next week, I should be able to generate the list of most common domains used in references for any wiki. I can generate that list for pl.wikipedia then, if it helps.

@Whatamidoing (WMF):I contacted one of our more tech-savvy admins, we'll try to do it ourselves and tell you of the results. TemplateData are already in place, we even have a single Szablon:Cytuj that could be used for all fields (reminiscent of Template:Citation at en.wiki).

As to sources, I guess the most natural would be the National Library of Poland, it works great with Zotero (and has been for ages). The Federation of Digital Libraries and all the affiliates work out of the box as well. *Some* university libraries also work just fine (note to self: UP Cracow, Kielce University, Łódź University, Poznań University - to name a few). So, all in all we're ready as far as sources are concerned.

Finally, as to translators, I did some work on some basic translators a couple of years back, but it was mostly trial and error. However, there already is a decent translator for English Wikipedia, so mapping Polish field names to English parameters should not be a difficult task. Or am I missing something here?

@Guillaume (WMF):Yeah, it would really be interesting. I know what I use, but what is the statistics behind the entire wiki - I'm not sure.

I'm generating the data set and I should be able to post the list of top domains later today if all goes well.

The list is now at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P669

Please let me know how it goes, Halibutt. I'll be interested in seeing how you do and also in getting your ideas about how to explain the process for other projects.

Thanks for your assistance, we'll give it a try later today and see how it goes. I'll be sure to let you know what's the result.

@Whatamidoing (WMF) @Guillaume (WMF) Hi guys, I forgot to let you know how great Citoid works (well, worked) at Polish wiki, I was apparently too busy using it :) We implemented it without any problems and it worked precisely as planned. Sure, not all popular Polish pages have correspondent Zotero plugins, but the extension worked pretty well for most book sources and did a decent job for web pages. Thanks again for your assistance.

We (me and @Tar Lócesilion) were thinking of switching the MediaWiki:Citoid-template-type-map.json table to point at Szablon:Cytuj (it's a one-size-fits-all citation template, quite similar to Template:Citation at English Wikipedia), but this might be a tad complicated I guess (unlike traditional citation templates with name1, name2 and so on, this one uses a single author field with basic syntax analysis for instance). Does any wiki use similar templates with Citoid?

For some weird reason Citoid stopped responding today (it used to be one of the windows in VE's "Przypis" field (Polish for "Citaton"), but today it disappeared. It works at English wiki, so I guess it's a local problem, but I have no clue where to look for possible changes that could've broken it. Any ideas?

Turning name1, name2, and so in into a single field is phab:T97044, which should be working now. I've never written any TemplateData to do that, though.

@Halibutt re: Citoid not working, I was able to use it there today (although it fails with a couple of Polish sources - I think that generally speaking your map should not feature templates which do not exist locally though!). Please report outages at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93800 . I followed instructions provided here, which are meant as a temporary solution though.

@Elitre (WMF) I didn't notice that problem before, we fixed it now (all the instances that failed in your test page should work now, although in the most basic way as there's no specific Zotero plugin for those sources).

And Citoid works again, I have no idea what went wrong. Thanks, I'll remember that for the future.

A loosely-related note: I was thinking of writing a translator for Poland's National Library new Encore OPAC catalogue but it turns out the page works perfectly well with Zotero. It doesn't work with Citoid though. I reported it as a bug @ Phabricator.

Thanks a lot for doing it, Halibutt!

Is it possible to provide some filtering for language field? Recently I spot an incorrect language code used in the citations (example). Although the the code itself is not incorrect, however, it is not allowed in templates, because it is not recognized. The specific code pl-PL should be replaced with pl or not used at all, since such language is default in plwiki and info about it is redundant for readers.

I added your comment here. Thanks.