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On the Behavior of Wikipedia's Logo in Winter

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RandomDSdevel (talkcontribs)

I don't really like it that Wikipedia's logo disappears from Winter when you scroll past it. I understand that the idea is to make the prototype's navigational tools take up less space, but couldn't that be achieved just as well by having the Wikipedia logo shrink and move to the left of Wikipedia's name and slogan?

Jdforrester (WMF) (talkcontribs)

You mean switch from the main logo to the horizontal logo shown above? That could work, but we'd need to go and create each of the hundreds of horizontal logos as we've not used it widely. Also, as has been widely observed before, the logo isn't very good as a logo and at small scale like this is very indistinct; using just the word mark is I think preferable.

RandomDSdevel (talkcontribs)

Hmm…you're probably right in saying that creating so many horizontal labels (they're for the various languages in which Wikipedia is available, right?) would take a lot of work, but do you have an estimate as to how much work it would actually take? And maybe having the icon in the horizontal version of the logo could be optional and/or experimental?

Jdforrester (WMF) (talkcontribs)

It took a concerted effort over a couple of years to re-create all the different language versions of the vertical logo after the Wikipedia logo changed in 2007 (I believe the effort started in 2009 and was declared "mostly done" in 2011). Creating them from scratch rather than needing to also drop them into place and thus negotiate with a community will make it faster, but… Mostly, this is a question of "who will do this?" rather than "how much work is it?" I feel.

RandomDSdevel (talkcontribs)

Why would creating a bunch of new, but differently sized, image files from ones that currently exist be so hard? Do the logos' image files already have their text embedded within them? That would certainly complicate things, I suppose. The text within the images would probably have to be redesigned for use in a vertical layout language by language…man, this would be so much easier if the logo text was just part of Wikipedia's general page layout (either as a separate image or as actual text,) wouldn't it? I'd help, but I don't really have that good of grasp of all the issues, let alone of how to use image-editing tools. This stinks…

Jdforrester (WMF) (talkcontribs)

Sadly, yes, the bespoke existing images each have localised text embedded inside the images. It'll need re-laying and possibly re-thinking in some cases. :-(

RandomDSdevel (talkcontribs)

Well, curse our luck! Would the powers that be possibly consider separating this text out like I suggested above? Like I said before, that would make work on this issue so much easier!

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