Topic on Talk:Compact Personal Bar/Archive 2

Habe das einige Wochen getestet und finde es unpraktisch. Besonders das Aufklappen nervt. Habe es jetzt deaktiviert.

Atlasowa, thank you for trying out the beta feature, I'm sorry that you find it inconvenient or impractical to use, however based on your feedback there isn't anything actionable for us to do to improve it for you. Would you care to give us some more feedback on how we can improve the feature so it would be useful for you?

Atlasowa, vielen Dank für das Ausprobieren der Beta-Funktion, tut mir leid, dass Sie es unbequem oder unpraktisch zu bedienen, jedoch basierend auf Ihrem Feedback gibt es nichts umsetzbare für uns zu tun, um zu verbessern es für Sie. Würdest du uns etwas mehr Rückmeldungen, wie können wir die Funktion zu verbessern, damit es sinnvoll für Sie wäre, zu geben?

Based on the translation : Have the test a few weeks and find it impractical. Especially the unfolding annoying. I have disabled it now.

Jaredzimmerman (WMF): Thanks for the quick response :-)

You're right, this is not really actionable feedback. Some examples:

I DON'T LIKE GREY. It looks disabled. And not everybody uses a HD screen with optimum light conditions. Grey is a bad idea. Kill your design darlings!

I use the "my contributions" link quite often to check on responses to my recent edits - on articles that i don't want to put on my watchlist forever. This "my contributions" link is in the drop-down, so it is harder to reach/click now.

I often unintentionally clicked on my user page (top of drop-down) when trying to unfold the drop-down. I have also clicked on the drown-down when i wanted to use the search field (too similar in design and placement).

Since you are tracking all clicking on the new "Compact Personal Bar", you can probably tell which links users click most - but can you compare this with the click-action on the old Personal Bar? (If you can't, how can you have a meaningful interpretation of data?) BTW, on german Wikipedia one admin has hidden the "beta"-link for everybody, so it is also hidden in the new "Compact Personal Bar" (in case you're wondering why nobody clicks on it).

I do like the logout-button on mobile WP (power-off-button). Is not used in the "Compact Personal Bar", unfortunately.

The watchlist = star-icon is fine. I think it should make a short blink when i add a new article to my watchlist (in addition to the rotation animation of the other star icon). BTW, in the Wikipedia edit window there is a "Watch this page" tick box, there should be the star icon next to it too (consistency).

Beta Features - Compact Personal Bar Sketch

The bell icon for notifications is nice, haven't seen it in action/in beta. Does it swing?

The version 2 design never reached german WP, afaik.

Re:FLOW 1) Why is this flow text input field so freaking tiny? Huge whitespace everywhere in flow, but in the text input ... no space left? Gaarrrr. 2) When i started the topic, after writing the topic title, Flow asked "Add some details, if you'd like" - i thought, i don't need a subtitle or mouseover or whatever. I certainly didn't expect that to be the the actual text input field for my comment...! "Add some details, if you'd like" - seriously!?! What do you think users do on Wikipedia? Write tweets? Do you WANT them to write tweet-long comments? Gaaarrr.

Atlasowa: Thanks for the feedback, very much appreciated. I'll try to address each point

• We are making the icons more dark and having hover and click stated to combat the issue of it appearing too light, this change hasn't rolled out anywhere ( de.wiki isn't being singled out)

• You're not the first to request contributions be outside the flyout as well, however we've not received a lot of feedback requesting this either, we'll continue to evaluate requests like yours and the analytics data we're receiving as well.

• eventually with the changes proposed by Winter the search and flyout won't be stacked so hopefully this is a temporary issue

• We are tracking user clicks for the compact person bar and user clicks on the same targets outside the compact personal bar for users that do not have it enabled so that we can compare behaviors for logged in users, we're not finding any significant falloff of users accessing any items, so that's good, but we'll continue to watch for trends as the number of users increases.

• Thats a great idea with the animation, the watchlist star (for watching a page already has an animation too, do you think it would be distracting to have them both animating?) perhaps we could do something where when you watchlist a page the start actually animates as though it would going into the watchlist icon in the compact personal bar?

• The bell is being used on mobile web and eventually apps as well, it doesn't swing or animate (yet…)

• We purposefully left logout without an icon to distinguish it from the others, but we can look into having an icon as well.

Thank you for the flow feedback, would you mind giving it directly to the flow team on the project talk page?

Jaredzimmerman (WMF): Yes, i would mind. If you put me through the hassle of using flow to give you feedback, then you can run the errands with the feedback on flow.

Atlasowa, I'm sorry that you feel Flow is a hassle to use, its not that it bothers me that you are giving flow feedback here, I just want to make sure that the team working on Flow receives your feedback in order to improve it, and hopefully make it less of a hassle for you.

Jaredzimmerman (WMF): " I just want to make sure that the team working on Flow receives your feedback in order to improve it" - then please DO make sure! No, wait, actually, you're less interested in getting valuable feedback for beta features, than in forcing another beta feature (flow) on users that intend to give you feedback. See bug 65078. Wow.

As an author and Administrator I need my watchlíst frequently. It is anoying to do two clicks instead of one to access the watchlist. I' ve no sollution for that exept to exclude the watchlist from the feature and leave the usual link

Superbass, I'm not sure I understand, watchlist is still only 1 click away, the star icon that accesses the watchlist is both inside and outside the flyout. Effectively there is no change to the number of clicks for accessing watchlist. Am I misunderstanding what you're asking for?

Jaredzimmerman (WMF): The thing is: I didn`t realize the star icon is to access the watchlist and only tried to find it at the dropdown. It's fine, then, thanks

Superbass: ok, glad to have that resolved. That icon will be updated soon to be more clearly differentiated from that watch/unwatch this page icon.

Jaredzimmerman (WMF): When you update the icon, please think about making the watchlist icon more prominent. For example by giving it a colour (red, blue?). I worry that new users only see the highly visible notifications, and are paying far less attention to their watchlist. And while the notifications are about me-me-me (my edits, my conversations, my thanks, my status, my reverts, ...), the watchlist is about the articles, about actual Wikipedia content. In the old days, there was only the watchlist and the users talkpage - now the notifications could distract contributors from that. That could be harmful. Can you somehow check that out? usertesting, clicktracking?

Atlasowa: thanks for the feedback, in tracking click-throughs during the beta feature we've noticed no significant drop in activity of people accessing their watchlists. We know this is a self selecting group, and we'll watch out for that. We will definately look into your point of using color to emphasize new content or changes in watchlist and other "notification streams"

Jaredzimmerman (WMF): I found some research about notifications, which seems to support my concerns that the competition for user attention between the "me-me-me-notifications-bling-icon" vs. "static watchlist-link" has harmful effects on productivity:

meta:Research:Notifications/Experiment_1#Summary: Our results suggest that the presence of Notifications effectively increases the amount of activity that new users will engage in (more edits, more edit sessions and more hours spent editing). However, the effect of Notifications on the productivity of new users is unclear. On average, users with Notifications were less likely to make productive contributions to articles, but in our experiment, a few highly productive newcomers made up some of the difference.

Our results also show that newcomers with Notifications enabled are more burdensome. They made more edits that were reverted by others and they were more likely to be blocked.