Talk:Trust and Safety Product/Temporary Accounts/2024/June

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I'm very discouraged when I found out that we will use temporary accounts. I'm a long-term IP editor also (tens of thousands IP edits on Commons, since late 2022, mostly file categorization). It is interesting for me to edit via various and unusual IPs, much more interesting than via dull unwanted temporary accounts. Will be a choice for an anonymous editor either use temporary account or continue to use IPs? I don't want to "protect" my "privacy". Юрий Д.К. (talk) 04:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Юрий Д.К.: Hello, due the the legal reasons (the longer version explanation), it is impossible to have a choice for users continue to use IPs. Of course, they can still create an (permanent) account if they want. Thanks. SCP-2000 (talk) 04:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Publication of the following en:Legal opinion has been authorised by Юрий Д.К., a holder of advanced permissions on two Projects with a quarter of a million edits (who takes no responsibility for the contents):

Let's kill this canard that it is legally impossible to edit using IP addresses stone dead. It is claimed that there is "risk to users whose information is published in this way." That's like claiming that it is legally impossible for a stuntman to perform a stunt because of the risk to him personally. But he assumes the risk - to prevent him earning his living in a way he enjoys is to breach his human rights. You might as well ban boxing, cricket, football, golf, horseracing, motor racing and rugby, all of which have seen fatalities. This is why, if this ill-informed scheme ever comes to fruition, it will be challenged in the European Court on day one. It's cleverly constructed to breach consumers' human rights - there will be a little notice saying a temporary account will be created. It does not say that it will link together all the IP addresses used by the editor over the next year, which will typically run into the hundreds. Just look at the information provided when you click "account details" on your email account. That information is accessible only to you, but you have no control over who is getting the information stored in the cookie - Wikimedia couldn't tell you anyway, because they don't know! The Court has ruled the user must be given the opportunity to make "a clear and informed choice" about whether she wants a cookie or not - i.e. "yes" or "no". A dialogue box must be presented explaining EXACTLY what this cookie will do and EXACTLY WHO will be able to access the information. The user must be given the choice between accepting this privacy-invading scheme or using her IP, which will not be linked to any other IP the editor may use.

Legal says "legal ethics and privilege" disable them from communicating a legal opinion of their intention to "mask IPs of non-logged-in editors from all visitors to the Wikimedia projects." There is nothing ethical about withholding a legal opinion from the people who will be affected by it. Why is the Foundation invoking "legal privilege" to hide the reasons for its decisions from the people who pay their salaries? If their claim is true, why does Trust and Safety Product/Global User Contributions even exist? It should be superfluous. And why does newly-minted Steward Johannnes89, who has said the information is freely available to "Global rollbackers", issue year-long blocks to people who raise privacy concerns?

It's because the truth is far, far worse. This is what the Foundation are hiding:

... On enwiki, I have no access to "Connection method," "Connection owner," "Real IP/Proxy," "Static/Dynamic," and "Number of devices on IP," but according to that page, all this information should be accessible by autoconfirmed users and above. - Mokadoshi 18:07, 6 March 2024

KGB agents will be queuing up to register Wikipedia accounts. If you're not prepared to dump the scheme entirely, I suggest the following:

"I have read the explanation of how the cookie will infringe my privacy. I * reject the cookie * accept the cookie"

If having clicked "accept" the editor then clicks "publish" the edit is recorded. If having clicked "reject" the editor then clicks "publish" the following dialogue box appears:

"Your IP address will be publicly recorded. Do you wish to continue? * Yes * No"

If the editor clicks "Yes" the edit is recorded. If she clicks "No" the edit is aborted. 80.5.88.70 11:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)