Please add dark theme, for better reading experience.
I can't write a single line from right to left, only the whole page. for example this line supposed to appear from right to left:
אמורים לקרוא את זה מימין לשמאל.
Please make the header float with you when you scroll down. I mean the part with the logo of wikipedia, the hamburger icon and the menu of the page.
Slergs
1. I think it's a nice balance of comprehensive and compact. Tough to balance these, obviously. The contents box isn't pretty but it is very useful. I wish the discussion feature was more prominent (definitely better than 'talk'). It's easy to get to but I really don't think people notice it's there. Maybe it deserves a small icon?
2. Like a previous user, I think the language bar could do with some small changes. Perhaps a criss-crossed globe icon instead of the current Google Translate analogue. I also think that Simple English should get its own button because language grading is different to language translation. Making the difference easier to notice should help popularise the grading of content into other languages, too. We shouldn't ignore how important Wikipedia has become as a resource for language learning; it's massive.
3. It would be nice if this feature stripped the interface down more. I'd like to see everything except main content disappear (as in Pocket), leaving just the toggle button and three unobtrusive spot-shaped dropdown links on the left: one for stats, one for contents, one for user features. I have reading difficulties so the ability to strip away extraneous content is a major plus for me!
4. See above (3)... yep, no sidebar by default! Strip it back more, even! Nice! Good that discussion is still there, I guess; maybe I'm shy and want to contribute to a discussion anonymously! Could/should this feature look more inviting? I don't know.
5. I'd say that the reading experience is marginally better than on Wikipedia because a) I can discuss this with others; there is mild encouragement for me to actively engage with this text on a social level yet the link isn't occluding the text, b) I like that the Wikipedia logo in the top left-hand corner has been dialled back a bit and c) there are few other discernible differences from what is already a well-established format; people don'twant massive changes; there is no real call for a sexier Wikipedia, as far as I know!
6. How about a 'Tour' button some place to introduce new users to wider possibilities? It's OK for people to use this as a quick reference tool but it would be nice to know that I can also learn about extra features quickly and easily.
Sadgrove
1. The Wikipedia page is still too crowded. Can't we hire a professional UX person?
2. Other than Wikipedia, no site has that strange Contents section with white space around it.
3. The line width is too long. It averages 100 - 120 characters per line on my desktop. An average of around 70 characters is good for desktop viewing. 40-50 is good for mobiles.
4. Do we know what percentage of users know what the language symbol means? I suspect most people have no idea. It looks alien and contributes to Wikipedia's 'strangeness'. We should only use commonly recognised icons.
MiamiProf
Basically all praise. I like "discussion" better than "talk". I like having the left sidebar float higher, making the wikipedia logo smaller elevates it, and the 3-lines icon for collapsing it seems clear enough nowadays.
Vnon
Please add dark theme. Save our eyes. And batteries.
Atkinson 291
1. Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting?
How do I edit the Top Section?? It has always felt disjointed and inconsistent to me that the top section of an article doesn't have an [Edit] link by default, and with this new prototype, there isn't even an Edit tab at the top of the page, so it's impossible now? Is it a goal to discourage people from editing the Top Section? For years I thought editing the Top Section was the domain of certain elite editors until I discovered the "Edit" button at the top. This new prototype makes that existing design flaw even worse.
"From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" has been removed from the top of the page. Good move. It seems useless to me to tell people on a branded Wikipedia page that the article they're looking at is from Wikipedia. Whatever that text was supposed to contrast with, it only needs to appear on those contrasting pages, not on normal Wikipedia article pages.
"Article" has been changed to "Page". I don't know what problem this fixes, and see two disadvantages:
It creates an inconsistent use of the term "page", where the page that the url goes to, itself, has a "Page" tab -- the Page of the page. It's like having a "Website" link on a website. The Discussion page is just as much a page as the Article, which is why those two tabs are separated to the left. On a Search page, in the "Search in:" box, it would have to give "(Page)" as an option, which is not clear enough when anything can be a page. "Article" makes it clear that you're talking about the main content part of the page, not the whole thing, including the Discussion page or History, etc.
Further, I like that "Article" reminds people Wikipedia is a publication of articles, prompting more appropriate edits.
"Talk" has been changed to "Discussion". Good move. "Discussion" is closer to what that page should be for. Fandom Wiki has a "Discussion" section below each article rather than a "Comments" or "Talk" section, and I like that a lot. "Talk" sounds like chitchat.
2. Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Quite easy to find, and this location is a great improvement over the long list in the sidebar.
The layout of the Languages box is clunky and it's painful to try and find a country alphabetically since my eye keeps going down, not noticing the section break.
The sorting of languages by continent requires users to know which continent a particular language comes from before they can see the article in that language, rather than just knowing the alphabet, which many more people do.
3. Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I could figure it out because it was the only button near the sidebar menu and the question prompted me to look for one. Even then, I expected a button with that symbol to give a drop-down menu or page of Wikipedia-wide options that would float over the article, perhaps including collapsing the sidebar, until it lost focus, similar to how it works across most browsers and phone apps.
Normally, when I hide a sidebar, it's to increase the screen real estate for the main content. But in this prototype, with the huge margins, it greatly reduced space for the content. If the intent is to create a less busy view on articles so they're easier to immediately engage with for the average non-editor public, and where the reading format is the same as the printing format, I like the idea, but I don't think people will guess that it's possible. I picture people logging out to print, then logging back in to edit, like a hack.
4. The logged-out experience is slightly different. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I noticed logged-out always opens with the sidebar closed, and the article with wide margins. This confirms to me you're aiming for the printing layout to become the standard way most people (non-editors) view Wikipedia articles. And those viewers are unlikely to be interested in any of the content in the sidebar, so yeah, get rid of it by default. Good move.
5. Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Looks great. As an editor, it was hard for me to figure the purpose, but now I think it's really smart (well-designed questions!). There's no need for the reader of an encyclopedia to see any editing tools.
6. Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I feel like the top bar could be more compact, there's 3 rows of stuff, what could be easily fit in to 2 (or when you try harder, 3. Also, just a suggestion, what if we keep the title bar fixed while the below section can be scrolled? This will keep the title consistent along the length of the page.
It looks good. The sidebar has the tools, the support, and the like.
I would like to collapse the side bar, but when I do so, the page is less efficient, there is less content on screen.
Make the table of contents slide along as you browse, or be static and visible somehow whenever you browse. Quickly browsing, you need to page up to the top every time.
the-code-innovator
I like how the Reduction of menus on the left made the wiki more approachable, but it doesn't guarantee that the addition of padding to the left has made it anymore serious. I agree that the content must be the main focus, but reducing the padding on the left and right, can make a lot of sense and can bring life back to a wiki. I also feel that the language dropdown can become a part of the page itself, as a dropdown with a translate symbol, with number of languages supported as the accompanying number to that symbol.
The overall look of the page can improve if the user action controls can become a little more vibrant with less number of links, and by encouraging the use of dropdown menus like a ellipsis or a simple user icon. I would suggest a trio of icons, namely (user icon, inbox icon, alarm icon), other links can go to a dropdown or a menu like the ellipsis.
Having the content pop from the right would be a good addition to enable the use of quick navigation to sections in the article and will make actions less tedious and less strain on the part of the wiki reader.
The Content Scroll menu must be a prime option to enable quick navigation and quicker reaction and response times.
There are some things i like, like how the page does look a lot more approachable somehow, perhaps it's the lines and the centered images. You do lose a lot of page real estate on the left side because of the side toolbar but you do not gain any extra space by turning it off which is a bummer. While i do like the idea of being able to collapse it using a mobile control is eh not my favorite although it does work.
I don't really see much of a difference when looking at the logged out version if i'm honest, it looks like i'm reading a mobile page which while in concept probably works fine a lot of people reading wikipedia may be doing so on i.e. school computers in which they can't just log in to wikipedia and don't want it to look like they're reading it on a Dell tablet.
As listed before by another user(s) the side menu is something that I never use as when i'm in the mood for reading random things on wikipedia i'd much rather use the phone app as it just works more fluidly than the website.
I do like the language search menu it's a great improvement over having to look through a list of languages trying to spot yours by the first letter although it's kind of strange to reach, perhaps it would be better to have it in it's original location where the languages are located now and have it expand from there so people don't have to adjust to the new location.
I do really like the lines everywhere although in my opinion some more formatting options should be avaiable to increase the readability of super long articles. Perhaps as an idea having the quicklink box or whatever it's called move along with you on the big open area of the sidebar so you can jump around to any section of the page without having to scroll up each time.
Basically just make it look even more epic and improve ease of use. Looking at some of the other comments i guess this editor is new? If it is i really like it, it looks sleek and refined and very user friendly which is quite handy when you're a site that depends on it's users to write stuff.
KennethChiuT
At first glance, there is almost no difference from the previous version
You can't browse all at a glance in the drop-down box of language selection. You need to pull down. This part can increase the display of each line, so that all can be displayed in a box.
Tgore323
I much prefer this way of editing articles.
Lfstevens
The top and left of the page is too busy and is full of things most users never touch. Hide them by default.
Put references on a separate tab. It doesn't really make sense for it to be an article section. It should appear in the right place and appearance without the involvement of the editor. Since that's too simple for some pages, allow editors to override.
The hide flavor of show/hide would be better with a slash through it or maybe the show flavor should have a blue bkgd as the caps toggle does.
The language button is nice, but in an odd spot. Given the number of languages, maybe the popup needs a different design. Many people are (only) bilingual. Maybe let the user specify a second language and make it super easy to switch between the default and the second.
Well, after some fifteen minutes of pressing edit edit edit and not seeing the old good mono spaced edit window I got some clue of this new editing protocol. Sorry if I messed up some markup in the process. I learned Wiki text some fifteen years ago when I was forty , now it's probably too late to re-learn.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions?
Uncomfortably large fonts, mashup of serifs and sub serifs, impractically loose layout, edit window in the wrong place, missing inter wikis (well, that's the second question), missing tools. Yes, sir, I'm on mono book which is deactivated here. Overall, 3 of 10.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Well I knew beforehand that the over sized hourglass+A symbol is the 'management approved' inter wiki symbol, so finding it was no issue. However, selecting a specific language was tricky. The drop down menu is atrociously small. The logic of shuffling Latin and Cyrillic labels (in "English Wikipedia"!) escapes my feeble mind; the task of locating an inter wiki in, say, Gujarati or Armenian becomes impossible. Perhaps, hovering the mouse over this 'funny script' will say it's name in English? no it won't. And they you've got that 'Is it Europe or is it Asia' can of worms. Overall, 1 of 10. Better revert to existing flat list, where 'funny scripts' are placed alphabetically along with plain Latin, and where hovering the mouse displays Latin two- or three-digit Wikipedia codes.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience.
I tried to imagine, and miserably failed. The sidebar was my treasure trove of add-on goodies for so many years ;). OK, I tried to collapse it, and failed again. Instead, I pressed on the triple-line thing in upper left and it collapsed the whole page - it shrank to about 1/3 of the screen. This might be useful for testing content page layout in lesser screen resolutions, but then a screen resize does the same, and is way more flexible.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience.
Failed to find any measurable differences (after reverting from 1/3-width to full-width). Now the very important thing to test will be editing difference - how many restrictions are imposed on anons, are there any hurdles added to the familiar filters etc., but that's understandably beyond the scope. Yet very important. Few old-timers here realize how little editing space there's left for anons today.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Choice of fonts and line spacing made reading uncomfortable - but there's a fifteen-year bias behind this opinion. Better ask 1000 random people on the street.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Get back to media Wiki 1.18, it won't get better than that.
On a lighter note, your question number 4 is probably most important of all and needs as much attention as possible. Over years, the gap between what the readers and what the writers see has grown out of proportions. Each media Wiki release changes the default UI here and there, while the writers cling to old timey monobooks etc. Today, reviewing logged-out versions can sometimes help in adjusting for anon reading, tomorrow it might be next to impossible.
Comment I agree with you! No learning curve for me if I can avoid it. Windows 7 still works fine today for me. I did not switch to Wikipedia beta, either.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 17:40, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Field Bum
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I like the change to languages, moving from the left and navigate to the top right. The shorter top navigation button makes the page feel more open. Did you change colors at all? Feels airier.
I like the tabula rasa feel of the white interface, but that ! icon is really grabbing my attention right now. I want to click it. I've been trained to go for those first.-108.200.234.18508:44, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes - way better and way quicker.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Clicking the hamburger worked, but it narrowed and centered the content. I'm on desktop and it felt mobile. Did not like it.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience?
Looks pretty similar, but I had the same "mobile look" issue.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I like the more open layout but the width bug bothers me.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Fix that bug and it's perfect
Lovin Utterberg
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I noticed that you change the language at the top, which I find convenient. I also noticed that the sidebar has changed slightly, the logo became smaller and that you can toggle the sidebar off, which sadly doesn't make the page take up less vertical space. I didn't really notice any many big changes.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I found it very fast to find and it takes less time to change language now, which I find very nice.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yeah, it was easy, although toggling it off just leaves two white vertical lines of the article, so I don't find it that necessary.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience?
A few things at the very top, the star and the "more" tab is absent, so not very much.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It's basically the same and I find the current page layout to be good.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I don't really have anything more to say, Wikipedia is already great.
Pi 314159
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
(your feedback here) It's a regular WYSIWYG editor that should be familiar to most people. So, nothing surprising, but should be usable by many people.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience? NO! It was not obvious to me - sorry.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience? Assuming that you mean the MediaWiki menu on the left: NO, couldn't figure it out.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think? In Chrome I got a warning that I am leaving the Web page. That's not an "experience"...
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia? The reading experience was good, but it is no better than the current page: I couldn't find what really changed, except that the font size is a bit smaller.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions. Todays Wiki is great - so, why change it ;-)
Musaran
Initial impressions? I expected more changes. Uses a bit more vertical space, the precious one.
switch to another language. Easy, but the menu is way too small for its content.
collapse the main sidebar menu. Not obvious AT ALL. The "hamburger" icon is the right modern choice, yet unrelatable and expected on the right side. It looks like part of the site-wide head panel. Somehow manages to reduce the article width. I would prefer collapse/expand for individual groups of site tools.
logged-out experience Dunno, I never log out...
compare with the current experience on Wikipedia? Not significantly different in the face of what needs change.
final thoughts, ideas, or questions. Regarding Wikipedia in general, problems by order of importance :
#1 by far is the walls-of-text making it tedious to get actual info. Consequence of the prose editorial style, encouraging verbosity, storytelling and duplication.
Needs much more content and reading structure.
WAY too little help and guides during contribution, this should be tightly integrated.
The navigation controls should stay on screen.
Needs more interactivity in expanding/collapsing parts one is interested in.
Some interface confusion such as : Search being not in the head panel but grouped with page edition ; too many controls the average user does not care about ; lack of graphical clues as to what things are or do.
Kamil Kiełczewski
EN: When I go to this prototype page - at the beginning I see ugly things - screenshot below. My proposition is to add some rotating loader or something (before page is loaded and ready)
PL: Kiedy wchodzę na stronę prototypu, na początku widzę brzydkie krzaki - zrzut ekranu poniżej. Moja propozycja to dodanie jakiegoś obracającego się loaderka lub czegoś podobnego (zanim strona załaduje się i będzie gotowa).
zrzut ekranu
Joseph GX
Take a minute to observe the prototype. What first impressions do you have? Do you find something confusing? convenient ? particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that, since this is a prototype, most links do not work , and you may encounter other bugs and quirks.)
The first thing i noticed is that the logo including title became smaller, then noticed that the font in the upper corner did too. It also striked my attention that the menu became somewhat longer which leads me to what I found interesting which was how easily accessible and convenient 'other projects' is now.
Imagine that you wanted to read the article in another language. Can you figure out how to do it? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, I think it's more apparent than the previous version. However the only issue that arises concerning this feature is if the current/starting language is one an individual can't comprehend, thus I think this would make switching to another language a problem/hassle.
Imagine that you want to hide the main menu in the sidebar. Can you figure out how to do this? What do you think of this experience?
Definitely, I always enjoy when there is an option to hide the menu as it helps the individual focus on what he/she wants to read. It is quite easy to do so since it is a simple one click process. It has become quite apparent that the three lines above each other always means 'menu' too.
The experience when you are not connected is slightly different. Please click on the “Log out” link in the upper corner. What do you notice different from the experience when you are connected? What do you think ?
First thing I noticed when logging out was how the menu automatically disappears while constricting the article text to the middle of the browser. Hiding the menu when an individual is not logged in which hints the user is simply trying to get some information from the article at hand and nothing more is definitely smart as it makes the page/article look 'cleaner'. However I am conflicted as to how i feel concerning constricting the article in the middle; i like how it looks, but perhaps widening the limits slightly more would result with a perfect clean layout.
Imagine that your main goal is to read an article. What do you think of the page layout and the reading experience? How do you compare with the current Wikipedia experience?
As mentioned in the previous question, I do believe that the article might be too constricted in the middle. Widening the borders might be visually and functionally more effective to read an article. In addition, when hovering over a hyperlink (on desktop), or when holding a hyperlink (on mobile), I do believe that providing a box that includes some of the hyperlink's article information would make a reader's life much easier. It subtracts the need to open new tabs every time the reader is unsure of what the hyperlink correlates to or the meaning of it. This would make the reader's life much easier and the reading experience much more pleasant.
a minute to observe the prototype. What first impressions do you have? Do you find something confusing? convenient ? particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that, since this is a prototype, most links do not work , and you may encounter other bugs and quirks.)
The only thing I miss is the "See Also" section, which I use often.
Imagine that you wanted to read the article in another language. Can you figure out how to do it? What do you think of this experience?
I found it fairly fast. OTOH, what you've replaced it with in the left-hand col is strictly from hunger. Even the first few lines of that col are bad: low utility, mis-named. I would undo the change; limit the number of languages shown to 5 or 10 and put "more" or "others" as a combo box.
Imagine that you want to hide the main menu in the sidebar. Can you figure out how to do this? What do you think of this experience?
No. Why should I? If you can't leave a clue in the main menu I'm not interested in hunting around for it.
The experience when you are not connected is slightly different. Please click on the “Log out” link in the upper corner. What do you notice different from the experience when you are connected? What do you think ?
If you can't ask a more specific question, I skip it.
Imagine that your main goal is to read an article. What do you think of the page layout and the reading experience? How do you compare with the current Wikipedia experience?
I didn't notice a difference. If you won't be more specific, what should I spend my time trying to guess what you want me to evaluate?
Jane Cooper 20
Take a minute to observe the prototype. What first impressions do you have? Do you find something confusing? convenient ? particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that, since this is a prototype, most links do not work , and you may encounter other bugs and quirks.)
Darker font and default bigger in desktop and adjusted for size on mobile devices. MIght want to contain the text running all the way from one left end to the right end. It's not reader friendly and this site is heavy on text.
Imagine that you wanted to read the article in another language. Can you figure out how to do it? What do you think of this experience?
NO, it's not intuitive at all. Take a key out of Google and see how seamless the Translate button on the address bar is to switch source language. Language options should be on the right side clearly visible on mobile and desktop versions. A tap away.
Imagine that you want to hide the main menu in the sidebar. Can you figure out how to do this? What do you think of this experience?
Again, it isn't the average user friendly feature, If wiki wants people to use features it has, then stop thinking like programmers and think like how average people see the websites and web pages.
The experience when you are not connected is slightly different. Please click on the “Log out” link in the upper corner. What do you notice different from the experience when you are connected? What do you think ?
When browsing through the pages, its not different but when you are signed out and try to edit, it will leave your IP address. Is that bad - no. Is that necessary - who knows!
Imagine that your main goal is to read an article. What do you think of the page layout and the reading experience? How do you compare with the current Wikipedia experience?
Needs more visual support. It's nearly impossible to read the cited articles and hyperlinks but it would be nice if there was more visual enhancement to link autoplay videos right within the page.
Like every other normal site out there. This is much needed on mobile devices where text reading is difficult and you don't want to be endlessly scrolling between the tabs that each hyperlink opens up.
שרעטל
קחו דקה להביט סביב. מה ההתרשמות הראשונה שלכם? האם משהו מבלבל? נוח? מעניין במיוחד? (זכרו שמכיוון שזה אבטיפוס רוב הקישורים לא באמת עובדים, וייתכן שתיתקלו בבאגים או מוזרויות.)
(המשוב שלכם כאן) לא רואה שום דבר מבלבל, במיוחד נוח שתפריט בחירת שפה נמצא בשורה עם שם הדף
דמיינו שאתם רוצים לעבור לקרוא את הערך בשפה אחרת. האם אתם מבינים איך לעשות את זה? מה אתם חושבים על החוויה הזאת? ברור ויעיל, סמליל מוכר מהאפליקציה לטלפונים
דמיינו שאתם רוצים להסתיר את תפריט הצד הראשי. האם אתם יכולים להבין איך לעשות את זה? מה אתם חושבים על החוויה הזאת? חושבת שכן, האם בעזרת ה"סולם" לצד הסמליל של ויקיפדיה? שיטה מקובלת בכלים אחרים, בהחלט חיובי.
החוויה למשתמשים מחוץ לחשבון מעט שונה. לחצו בבקשה על קישור "Log out" בפינה העליונה. האם אתם שמים לב למשהו שונה מהחוויה בתוך החשבון? מה אתם חושבים? לא רואה הבדל
דמיינו שהמטרה העיקרית שלכם היא קריאת ערך. מה אתם חושבים על עיצוב הדף ועל חוויית הקריאה? איך אפשר להשוות אותה לחוויה הנוכחית בוויקיפדיה? לא רואה הבדל מהותי, קריאה ללא תפריט הצד נעימה יותר
אנא הוסיפו מחשבות אחרונות, רעיונות, או שאלות. הייתי שמחה אם שם הדף, חלון החיפוש וכעת, בפורמט החדש גם חלון בחירת השפה, היו נשארים מקובעים במהלך הקריאה גם בשעת גלילה של ערך ארוך (כמו שורות מקובעות בטבלת אקסל). ישרכוח
Kamel
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres beugues et bizarreries.)
Au premier coup d'oeil, il n'y a pas de grands changements qui apparaissent si ce n'est qu'il y a moins de liens sur le menu de gauche (ce qui est à priori agréable car on ne voit pas toujours tout) et le choix des langues est apparu en haut (ergonomie ++ par rapport au choix sur le menu de gauche).
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
L'apparition du changement de langue en haut à droite est un grand plus ergonomique à mes yeux. On le voit au premier coup d'oeil, on n'a pas besoin de le chercher : c'est un point positif. Le changement de langue est facilement réalisable et intuitif.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Pas de problème pour masquer ou afficher le menu principal de la barre latérale, en revanche je n'aurais jamais cherché une telle caractéristique si vous ne l'aviez pas explicitement décrite dans la demande. Je ne vois pas bien l'intérêt de masquer le menu puisque la taille de l'article est réduite ensuite. Le fait de réduire la largeur de l'article est élégant mais donne une impression de texte plus dense, ce qui peut compliquer la lecture.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Le menu latéral a disparu, l'interface est simplifiée. C'est une bonne idée, mais encore une fois pourquoi réduire autant la largeur de l'article ?
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Pour moi, l'approche épurée (sans menu latéral) est une bonne chose. On peut se concentrer sur l'article, qui reste malgré tout très dense.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Serait-il envisageable de proposer un mode de lecture de nuit (par là j'entend reposant pour les yeux, car le fond blanc épuré est très prenant).
Et une suggestion non ergonomique : serait-il possible d'enregistrer ses langues préférées pour les retrouver facilement ?
Merci de ce beta test ! A mes yeux c'est réussi !
Anon 01
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres beugues et bizarreries.)
La police d'écriture du choix des langues semble un poil trop épais, ca fait un décalage visuel avec le reste de la page, puisque le mot Moon est maintenant aussi important que le panneau langue.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
C'est vrai que c'est pas visuellement explicatif, je pense que mettre une flèche serait mieux: au lieu de " III " pour le menu, " III< " quand le menu est ouvert et " III>" quand il est fermé
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Le menu latéral s'est juste fermé, mais on peux le réouvrir directement, pourquoi le fermer?
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Le mode nuit serait appréciable! Peut-etre plus de couleur mais c'est pas non plus necessaire.
Ferro~frwiki
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres beugues et bizarreries.)
Pour un avis complet, il faudrait lister toutes les différences. Pour ce que j'ai vu ça me va, mais je n'avais pas de demande de changement. Enfin, je ne suis pas partisan de changements radicaux d'envergure que certains préconisent.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Inapproprié pour moi, j'utilise le français uniquement ; malgré tout j'ai testé, le bouton est bien visible, peut être un peu gros, le changement de langue est intuitif et facile à faire.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
J'ai fini par trouver le bouton en cherchant spécifiquement, mais sans la demande explicite je serai passé à coté. L'emplacement devrait être, selon moi, sous le logo et non pas avec le logo : donc entre le logo et le premier menu, ici Accueil.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
La barre de menu est automatiquement cachée, je pense que c'est une bonne chose pour les visiteurs non connectés. Les boutons d'ajout des favoris et Plus sont masqués se qui est approprié. L'onglet discussion devrait être aussi masqué, inutile si on est pas connecté selon moi.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Lire un article devrait se faire comme pour un utilisateur non connecté. Donc quasi tout d'invisible à part l'article lui même. Ces modification vont pour moi dans le bon sens : moins de choses visibles.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Une personne a proposé un ajout de couleurs pour les textes ; cela parait une bonne idée au premier abord mais attention aux surcharges qui aboutiraient à des articles sapin de noël, donc contre productif pour Wikipedia. Pour moi, la simplicité actuelle doit rester de mise, il existe déjà des mises en forme pour la mise en valeur de passages importants avec le gras ou l'italique pour ne citer qu'eux.
J'ai aussi lu la demande d'un mode nuit, donc en couleurs inversées (fond noir, texte blanc), cela me semble une excellente idée.
Leonekmi
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
C'est joli ! puis vous serez satisfait
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Le bouton est clair, simple et fonctionne bien. Je dirais que la taille est un peu grande.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Le menu se masque mais la taille d'affichage de l'article est réduite par rapport à la vue avec menu, ce qui est un peu dommage.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Les actions disponibles qu'aux utilisateurs inscrits disparaissent, ce qui simplifie l'interface.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
L'expérience est plus épurée.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Le menu latéral devrait avoir un fond légérement différent pour le différencier de la barre du haut.
Sinon c'est très bien :)
Arash.pt I think that you should make the site more interesting.
1. Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
At first glance, I just noticed the logo change.
2. Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, It takes maybe 5 or 10 seconds to find it.
3. Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yeah, Everyone saw the hamburger button on other apps and websites, So they know how to use that. I didn't like that. maybe it will be better if you change the article width size and remove blank spaces.
4. The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top right corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
It's the same collapse sidebar view. I think after logout, it's ok to don't show some links to the user. but still, I hate white spaces :)
5. Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Aside from the logo, I didn't feel any significant change for readers.
6. Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I know it's hard to change the look right now. Users and readers have been used to this look for years. I think you can change the way you present new designs and changes. For example, for important changes such as the location of languages, you could have an interactive presentation for the first visit. This allows the user to first understand the changes and spend less time to find Languages.
LucLaf
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres beugues et bizarreries.)
J'aime beaucoup cet espace vidé grâce au bouton du menu déroulant. Cela créé une page moderne et plus épuré ce qui, selon moi, permet une plus agréable lecture. Je trouve ce bouton vraiment utile car nous n'allons pas toujours dans ce menu, alors le cacher est une bonne idée.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ? On trouve très facilement ce bouton. Bon emplacement et taille adéquate du bouton. Il ne me paraît pas judicieux de le réduire ou le bouger.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ? Oui trouvé facilement et je trouve cela très pratique et utile.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Peut-être essayer de masquer le menu de gauche lorsque l'on se connecte pour pouvoir garder cet espace blanc. Hormis cela, c'est parfait.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Globalement bon. Toutefois ce qui serait vraiment pratique c'est que la zone "Sommaire" soit à gauche et persistante, un peu comme l'est le menu général Wikipédia.
Cela éviterait de grande zone blanche comme sur la page "Lune" et faciliterait la navigation car éviterait de remonter en haut de page à chaque fois que l'on veut changer de section.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Voir point 5 ci-dessus.
NickK
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
No significant changes at the first glance. I find confusing that all navigation boxes are uncollapsed (not a clean look), there are no categories (I use them a lot). I also found language switching confusing (see below)
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, I could, but it was not quite confusing: I tried to type 'German' or 'Ukrainian' and neither worked, not intuitive at all that you have to type a native name (and this required a keyboard switch for Ukrainian). I could not easily find if a given article exists in my language, while I rely a lot on it at the moment. Having at least an option to keep an uncollapsed list is a must for me.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It was obvious, this is a standard sign at the moment. I did not like the look at all, however: for unknown reason with an uncollapsed menu the article takes full width of a wide screen, with a collapsed it takes only a third. This is definitely not a look I would expect: if I make my window full-width, I expect the text to be full-width either (or see some rubbish adds on the sides, but not on Wikipedia). If I want an article to take just a third of my screen, I know how to resize my window.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I did not understand why the sidebar is collapsed for logged-out but shown for logged-in. Don't we expect logged-out users to look for random articles or donate us?
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Opening a sidebar is not an intuitive way of making the article full-width of the screen, I would rather say it is a counter-intuitive effect. I know many websites have a habit of having narrow windows that do not like nice on wide screens, I prefer to be able to choose the width of the text block.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
This idea looks a lot like mobile. The things I lack most are categories and interwikis, they are already the reason why I use desktop version even on my mobile phone, I don't want to have to do some specific adjustments on my desktop version either
קחו דקה להביט סביב. מה ההתרשמות הראשונה שלכם? האם משהו מבלבל? נוח? מעניין במיוחד? (זכרו שמכיוון שזה אבטיפוס רוב הקישורים לא באמת עובדים, וייתכן שתיתקלו בבאגים או מוזרויות.)
לא מבלבל
דמיינו שאתם רוצים לעבור לקרוא את הערך בשפה אחרת. האם אתם מבינים איך לעשות את זה? מה אתם חושבים על החוויה הזאת?
כן.החלון שנפתח גדול מידי
דמיינו שאתם רוצים להסתיר את תפריט הצד הראשי. האם אתם יכולים להבין איך לעשות את זה? מה אתם חושבים על החוויה הזאת?
לא מבינה מה הכוונה. אם הרעיון הוא להסתיר את התפריט שמתחת לסמליל של ויקיפדיה זה בהחלט רעיון חיובי
החוויה למשתמשים מחוץ לחשבון מעט שונה. לחצו בבקשה על קישור "יציאה מהחשבון" בפינה הימנית העליונה. האם אתם שמים לב למשהו שונה מהחוויה בתוך החשבון? מה אתם חושבים?
בהחלט נוח יותר לקריאה.
דמיינו שהמטרה העיקרית שלכם היא קריאת ערך. מה אתם חושבים על עיצוב הדף ועל חוויית הקריאה? איך אפשר להשוות אותה לחוויה הנוכחית בוויקיפדיה?
הקריאה יותר נוחה כי אין הסחות של תפריטים שלא נוגעים לקוראים.
אנא הוסיפו מחשבות אחרונות, רעיונות, או שאלות.
האפשרות של קריאה בלבד נוחה ביותר. צריך לאפשר למי שרוצה לערוך לעבור למוד עריכה. הכפתור צריך להיות בולט אך לא מפריע
Theklan
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I wouldn't say this is a change. Is the same thing but with the logo smaller. Change is change, this is not.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, is clearer there, I don't think people would take too long to do that. But with a menu in the left, most of the users will still go there because... well... there's a menu in the left.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It took me like 10 seconds to find this, is not intuitive because the menu item should open a menu, not close the existing one. After closing the layout doesn't make sense. Lot of blank space that is not well balanced.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Yes, it's different, but I think it is worst, as you don't offer the clear possibility to make more things with the articles, link to other projects or further exploration. The left menu is still the main problem, and hiding it doesn't hide the problem.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It is the same: most of the readers don't even notice that the menu exist.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I think this redesign is not even nailing the surface of what we need. The only real and visible change is making the logo smaller, something that can be actually done with a css trick. Taking two years for the change would make everything even more obsolete. We need a real redesign.
Anon 02
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I like the overall look of it, I mean, not a lot changed so that's good, but I agree with the few actual changes that were made. I like that we can hide the side bar and that the content is centered and limited in width, makes the content easier to read.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, the button attracts the eyes at first glance, and I like the new UI, and the autocomplete searchable list
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, as someone else said, every one who used the internet before knows what a hamburger menu is. Having said that, I really dislike how it's done right now. There's no transition, and I don't understand why when the sidebar is open the text takes the whole screen again, it makes the whole screen jump around during the process and just looks super unpolished.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top right corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
What I notice is that by default the sidebar is hidden, which I think is a good choice, because it's just visual clutter for 99% of the people who arrive on a wiki page (probably from a google search), but still accessible if they really want it.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
As I said earlier, I prefer this version, especially with the sidebar closed, because it's more readable, and there's less clutter.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I noticed that the popover window on hover of highlighted keywords wasn't present in this preview, is this just because you haven't implemented it in the demo, or are you removing it ? Because I highly suggest keeping it, it's one of the best feature implemented to Wikipedia in years.
Delsaut
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Désolé mais le premier mot qui me vient, c'est inutile. Inutile de changer les langues de place et d'en faire un menu déroulant. Inutile de mettre le logo Wikipédia en plus petit. C'était mieux avant. Les trois barres horizontales à côté du logo sont normalement le symbole d'un menu. Or, ici, ça rétrécit la largeur de la page, ce qui va poser des problèmes pour certaines pages. Aucune amélioration au niveau des images qui reste dans des cadres avec des légendes et qui continuent à donner un aspect assez ringard.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Oui, je vois comment faire. Comment je trouve "l'expérience" ? mauvaise ! Premièrement, c'est clic de plus. Deuxièmement, j'ai toujours trouvé complètement ridicule de classer les langues par région du monde. Laissez ça où c'était et classer les langues par ordre alphabétique soit du code ISO, soit dans la langue de la version de Wikipédia qu'on lit.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Oui, j'ai vu. Qu'est-ce que j'en pense ? Le logo est mauvais. Les 3 lignes horizontales annoncent un menu normalement. Ensuite, je n'en voit pas l'intérêt. S'il y a un intérêt, utiliser plutôt des flèches comme dans la plupart des produits informatiques.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Disparition du menu par défaut, ce qui appauvrit l'interface pour les utilisateurs non connectés et rétrécissement de la largeur de la page.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
À nouveau désolé mais aucun intérêt !
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Ce prototype n'améliore rien du tout, les modifications sont minimes et inutiles. Il serait beaucoup plus intéressant de se pencher sur la présentation des images pour qu'elles puissent être intégrées de manières plus modernes et plus harmonieuses quand il y a d'autres éléments (infobox, titres,...). Idem pour les infographies telles que "Chronologie des missions d'exploration de la lune" (on dirait un schéma fait au début de l'informatique).
Vega
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Beaucoup d'espace blanc en haut de page.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Intéressant, mais je ne parle pas 224 langues, l'affichage des 3-4 que je lis (indiquées sur ma page de discussion) serait suffisant et plus pratique. De plus, l'affichage actuel des langues à gauche est plus utile : elles sont accessibles en un unique clic, des icônes indiquent la "qualité" de l'article dans chacune des langues pour savoir si cela vaut la peine de s'y rendre, et la liste est plus compacte donc plus efficace.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
En cliquant sur ce bouton, je m'attendais plutôt à ce qu'il affiche un nouveau menu, du fait de son icône.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Même effet que le bouton "menu". Cela prive les lecteurs non membres de repères et de fonctionnalités.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Cette fonctionnalité présente peu d'intérêt dans la mesure où la barre latérale disparaissait déjà quand on défilait dans l'article, et parce qu'il suffit de redimensionner la fenêtre du navigateur si on veut changer la largeur du texte à notre guise.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Les titres ressortent peu et l'absence de numérotation devant ceux-ci (en petit et/ou grisé par exemple) fait qu'on s'y perd un peu.
L'espace blanc à droite pourrait éventuellement être utilisé pour afficher des informations : références ? images plus grandes ? Ou alors, utiliser une des marges pour afficher un sommaire glissant, en indiquant où on se trouve grâce à celui-ci !
Pour rendre le menu (à gauche) plus attrayant et lisible, ajouter de mini-icônes permettrait peut-être de comprendre et de reconnaître plus rapidement les items.
Merci pour votre travail ! =)
Junior
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
(Vos remarques ici)
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
(Vos remarques ici)
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
(Vos remarques ici)
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
(Vos remarques ici)
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
(Vos remarques ici)
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
(Vos remarques ici)
Tortliena
1. Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It's… Weird? Like a dreadful feeling of some sort, especially for the top part. The logo is either too small or not fit for its use (and low quality). Actually, the top menu doesn't seem to be part of the same website as the lower part. Like a lack of visual unity and User eXperience cohesiveness.
2. Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Took me around 10 to 15s of active searching to notice the button. Not really good for me. And I still fear about touching the button because there's a damniverse 225 languages that may pop-up! However, when opened, the dropdown menu has a quite clean look. Like it. Even if it lacks the browser's language as top choice (yet?).
3. Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I had no idea it was possible until I tried the burger menu on the top left, because I thought it was to display a totally different menu! Usually on a burger menu starts off by default, not on!
When clicking it, it's really disturbing, because all the text is moved sideways, which in turn makes my eyes faint sideways due to loss of marks. Yet-i, I don't think that adding a sliding animation will improve things much : There is just too much distance to travel to make that work out in my opinion, and anyhow it's prone to motion sickness : one part on the central vision shouldn't move, like the aiming reticle in shooter games. In 4 words : Not the best experience.
4. The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top right corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Ah, there are specific differences between unlogged and logged in? I mean, aside from the top right menu which doesn't seem to have changed much compared to Wikipedia's current version, and the fact that the burger menu is "off" by default while unlogged?
5. Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I can't tell how or why exactly, but the overall article presentation seems a little more inviting, compared to the current version on Wikipedia. I appreciate the simple fact that the bottom boxes/navigation menus are opened by default, since it means less searching and clicking. The bibliography section is still a little harsh to eat, maybe it can be improved?
6. Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I didn't add my anwsers through the "new section" button, since I couldn't understand where I was on the editor and therefore if I was changing another one's answer, questions were in French while I wished to answer in English (since I can). I ended up editing in code manually.
(and shhhh... there's horizontal schkrolling on 1280x1024px resolutions!)
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Hi Olga Being a French user, when I compare the page under development (moon)(french) with the current page (moon)(french), I can see a slight loss of display of the text in the layout, being due to the size of the 'infobox' template. Personally, the display of the proposed logo no longer highlights the importance of Wikipedia : the free encyclopedia, open to all. But, I fully understand, in the display constraints, that this choice is proposed.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
I found One question sometimes leads to another question. Do you know how many people speak or read multiple languages ? As part of Wikipedia, how many users switch from one article in one language to the same article in another language ? 1/1000, 1/10000 ? Personally, the idea of proposing the availability of the same article in other languages is interesting but remains minor compared to the consultation of users.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Personally, the idea is interesting It could be available among the options for registered contributors.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
By comparing the page page under development (moon)(french) and the current page (moon)(french). Personally, reading the current page seems to me to be optimal for its readability and the essentials that make its content : Introductory summary, synthesis 'infobox' box, summary, article content, references, bibliographies, other links including related 'palettes', linked projects and categories. All occupying the 85% display available breadthwise on my screen for a resolution of 1440 × 900 pixels.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
By personal reflection, by analyzing the needs of users and contributors with quantified values, perhaps by searching among the drop-down boxes and the iconographic language for internationalized solutions could be envisaged by being validated by surveys. But this is just a personal reflection
Anon 03
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Vu un centrage sans intérêt, et une perte d'info sur marge gauche
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Ca m'em...nuie de chercher à trouver le logo adéquat
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
N'étant pas speedy-gonzalez geek mon fonctionnement est dans la vielle logique déductive et pas dans l'ergonomie instinctive (i gave up)
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
...rien: j'ai pas fait, n'ayant pas eu le bénéfice d'être guidé en cliquant sur le lien (W10 pro sécurized), car pour écrire ça j'ai recopié-pompé une section au dessus
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Ce qui serait vraiment pratique c'est que la zone "Sommaire" soit à gauche et persistante, un peu comme l'est le menu général Wikipédia.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
On ne peut pas aller (/*A/non*/) contre le désir (/*A/oui*/) de progrès, et c'est la vie issue du chaos et de l'électricité.
Arteos11
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Le bouton pour changer la langue est plus pratique et mieux mis en avant que l'ancien système, L'infobox est aussi légèrement plus grande qu'avant ce qui est assez agréable, par contre le système pour faire disparaitre le menu de gauche ne fonctionne pas bien chez moi, en effet il laisse beaucoup d'espace vide et donc moins de place pour l'article, donc pour l'instant je ne trouves pas cette fonction utile, de plus il est dommage que le logo de Wikipédia soit si petit, le nouveau lecteur vidéo est quand à lui plus esthétique et pratique que l'ancien.
Razor
Just a little fonctionnality you can add easily : Night mode
DRIS92
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
(Nature)
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
(Un nouvel onglet haut droit est ajouté. plus efficace)
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
(cliquer sur 3 tiret à haut gauche, cool)
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
(Il masque le menu principal en déconnectant, et ne demande pas le password en reconnectant, pas mal)
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
(un peu plus cadré et bien stylé, bien)
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
(option de masqué tous les chose sauf le texte principale et changer le font et la couleur de page et texte. moteur de recherche plus forte comme google. faciliter et simplicité de code de wiki code et corrigé auto pour mineur faut de code avec proposer le code plus proche pour trouver la bon code)
Jaxom_99
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
RAS, je ne vois presque aucune différence. Le Titre de l'article semble moins mis en avant que le bandeau Wikipedia, il n'accroche pas assez l'oeuil.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
J'ai trouvé, ca nécessite l'emploi du clavier. Le rangement par "section de colonnes" n'est pas instinctif, on cherche + que dans une seule colonne.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Trouvé, mais l'interaction est surprenante : le "hamburger" est d'habitude fermé par défaut, et vient en surimposition.Je ne m'attendais pas à faire disparaitre un menu en cliquant la première fois.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Seules les options du menu supérieur ont disparu, pas de différence à mes yeux.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
L'expérience de lecture reste difficile par la quantité de texte affichée, et la présence faible d'éléments structurants, notamment dans l'introduction. Dans la suite de l'article, les médias sont répartis sans cohérence, ce qui brouille aussi l'expérience. Les titres sont interrompus par la présence de médias, limitant la perception de la structure de l'article.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Disposer du sommaire visible/accessible au fil de l'article (par un affichage dynamique ?), aiderait à naviguer dans les grands articles.
Pellu
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Le design est plus intéressant mais pas encore optimal. Le burger cache bien le menu mais réduit le contenu de la page, ce n'est pas sa fonction de base ça risque de gêner l'utilisation pour de nombreuses personnes. Le logo horizontal est parfait. L'accès direct aux liens internes en bas de page c'est parfait.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
C'est ce que j'ai fait en premier c'est un peu plus long pour changer de langue la première fois mais l'accès est bien plus rapide.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Le burger est compréhensible mais pas pour tout le monde, il masque le menu mais ce n'est pas vraiment une fonctionnalité si importante. La fonctionnalité serait plus intéressante à l'inverse ne pas avoir le menu ouvert au début et cliquer dessus pour l'avoir.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Je ne pense pas que ce soit compréhensible pour l'utilisateur, lorsque l'utilisateur n'est pas connecté il ne voit pas le menu et la page est en surement en col-6 et quand il est connecté il voit le menu et la page en col-12. Je pense qu'il faut garder l'affichage pour tout le monde en full screen.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Ce qui me gêne le plus pour la lecture d'un article c'est le bloc contenu qui est souvent très long, il faut pas mal scroller pour arriver au contenu. C'est là que je préconise le burger ou un bouton contenu à gauche ou à droite du titre de l'article. La colonne de droite par exemple pour l'article Lune est plus petite et sur pas mal de lignes allonge encore plus ce bloc mais plus facile à lire.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Il y a un border sur les images comme dans l'ancien design si le but est d'avoir un design plus récent je conseille de l'enlever.
Yenighodrat (یا ناشناس)
یک دقیقه وقت گذاشته و کل صفحه را نگاه کنید. برداشت اولیه شما چیست؟ چیز گیجکنندهای پیدا کردهاید؟ مناسبه؟ جالب است؟ (به یاد داشته باشید که در نمونه اولیه بسیاری از پیوندها کار نخواهند کرد، و احتمالا به مشکلاتی برخورد خواهید کرد.)
(جالب است) جالبه
تصور کنید که میخواهید مقاله را به زبان دیگری تغییر دهید. آیا متوجه شدید که چطور آن را انجام دهید؟ در مورد این تجربه جدید چه فکری میکنید؟
(من براحتی پیدا نمی کنم) کمی دشوار
تصور کنید که میخواهید منوی کناری را ببندید. توانستید آن را انجام دهید؟ نظرتان در مورد این تجربه چیست؟
(کمی دشوار بود)
تجربه خروج از سیستم کمی متفاوت است. لطفا روی پیوند “Log out” در گوشه بالای صفحه کلیک کنید. متوجه چه تفاوتی با تجربه زمان ورود شدهاید؟ نظرتان چیست؟
(خیلی خوب و مناسب است)
تصویر کنید که هدف اصلی شما خواندن مقاله است. در مورد طرح صفحه و تجربه خواندن چه فکری میکنید؟ در مقایسه با تجربه فعلی ویکیپدیا چگونه است؟
(نظر خاصی ندارم)
لطفا هرگونه فکر، ایده یا سوالات نهایی خود را بنویسید.
(بازخورد شما)
Lepticed7
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Quand je clique sur le menu burger, la colonne centrale change de taille.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
J'utilise le menu déroulant avec les différentes langues. Bien qu'il soit plus visible que la liste des langues en colonne à gauche, je le trouve un peu mal placé, sans pouvoir justifier. On dirait qu'il s'est perdu dans le coin de la page. Mais c'est certainement un souci d'habitude.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Ça a été mon premier réflexe en ouvrant le prototype. Cacher cette zone qui ne me sert pas à la lecture de l’article. Clairement utile et nécessaire.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Le fait de ne pas être amené sur la page de déconnexion et que la déconnexion se fasse sans changement visible (hormis les lien tout en haut) est très agréable.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Je trouve peu agréable de lire lorsque les lignes sont trop longues. Une colonne centrale avec le contenu moins large, bien que faisant plus de lignes, implique des lignes moins longues et donc moins de fatigue visuelle.
Lulucmy
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Le nouveau design est sympa, il est juste dommage que l'écran ne soit pas plus utilisé (rend mal sur de grands écrans). Il est dommage que la barre pour voir l'historique/discuter n'ait pas changée, elle ne correspond pas au reste du prototype.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Beaucoup plus simple qu'avant, je lis souvent les articles dans plusieurs langues, ça me faciliterait la vie.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Oui, on y est habitués avec nos smartphones. Sans trop en faire, une animation lorsque la barre s'ouvre serait appréciable.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Pas de grand changement je trouve.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
La disposition n'est pas le point fort de ce prototype, sur de grands écrans la taille du texte et sa disposition ne rendent pas la lecture fluide.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Un mode nuit serait bien, tout comme voir le titre de l'article lors du défilement (qu'il reste en haut de l'écran).
alistair3149
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It feels the same as the current Wikipedia on the expanded form. In the simplified menu (assuming it is intended for reading primarily), there are still a lot of distractions around such as the user and page tools bar. The language selection is easy to access, but having it in the article implies that it only changes the language in the article, but it does also change the UI language as well. It does not seem like to be a responsive site, not sure if it is intended.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes it is quite noticeable and easy to access. Though it is easy to access, saying that this article is available for 224 languages doesn't provide much context to me. But rather, if it informs me that a language I care is available, then it will be more helpful.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes by clicking the hamburger menu on the top left side. I have some confusion over what the button does at first because a hamburger icon implies that it will open a navigation menu, turns out that it collapsed the menu. Also the button does not suggest that the page will be put into reader mode for me, so I did not expect the content to shrink. I feel that the menu button might not be the best in communicating what it will lead to.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The default behavior seems to be reader mode for logged out. It would be helpful as majority of anon on Wikipedia are strictly readers, and that helps them to focus on their task. Though as I mentioned above, I think that could be simplified as readers do not care about a lot of the features. To accommodate anon contributors, maybe a separate "Edit mode" toggle to show extra functionalities?
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
As a reader, there are still some buttons I don't care and understand. However, it is easier to read because the width does not span the whole page and also I am able to focus on the article better as the negative space helps.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
While I think it is a good direction towards providing a better reader experience (especially when they are the majority), the implementation can be more thorough. The anon interface current stands between anon editors and readers, there can be a more suitable solution. Something like a editor/reader mode for example would be a potential solution. It might be helpful to focus on these few questions:
How might we improve the reading experience on article pages? (That does not necessary only include readers, contributors need to read too!)
How might we encourage readers to edit while not affecting the reading experience? (That would be required to bridge between reading and editing for anon)
There are also a lot of elements that can be simplified, like the in other projects link could be placed in footer or a collapsed menu since it might not be useful for users (I don't have the metrics though, that would be something that WMF might measure). Some of the links under tools are page-specific, so it might be more suitable to put them on the page instead of the main navigation menu. Other than that would be better UI unification with other Wikipedia experience (app, mobile site, etc.), either by respecting WM-UI or use OOUI (though the file is massive), the current Vector skin does not align well. That's all I can think of for now!
Alistair3149 (talk) 18:46, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Akela NDE
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It was only due to my use of Noscript and uMatrix on Firefox, but at first the page just looked plain blank. Empty. No content at all. Like a normal Wikipedia page, with a weirdly small logo, and a total absence of anything where the article should have been.
So I activated XHR inclusion and JS from en.wikipedia.org and translatewiki.net, and it looked better. But then, does that mean that we will have to allow external domains to be able to use Wikpedia? Especially the latter : who cares about translations? Apart from translators and, maybe, and only very occasionally, users who are fluent in more than one language?
This being said, I don’t really see any practical difference, apart from the smaller logo, which somehow makes me want to check if I’m really on Wikipedia.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The first question is, why would I want to do that? But then, OK.
Interwiki links on the left have disappeared, so at first I’m disappointed. Then, I notice that the smaller logo stands besides a "hamburger" menu. I assumed it was some technical menu for Wikipedia, but then, maybe the IW are there? Nope (although it looks definitely weird then). It’s only after that that I notice the top-right button with the Japanese letter and the "224 languages". Weird, why isn’t that button at the place where IW used to be? So, I switch language, and it works cool. But I don’t really see the point, especially since articles in various languages may be very substantially different, and not just translations of one same article.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Well I couldn’t do it since I discovered that feature while looking for interwiki links. My first opinion of that "hamburger" button was that its position, on top of everything else and just besides the logo, is a bit weird. It’s a place for a logo, not a button. If it has to stay here, it would need to be placed on some kind of bar, otherwise it just seems like a weird addition to the logo.
Anyway, I looked at the collapsed page and found it didn’t simply collapsed the sidebar menu, but compressed the article in a much less wide area. Actually, what id did was more adding white areas on the sides than collapsing a menu. I suppose it’s here to enable us to easily switch from desktop view to mobile view, but then, does it really need to be that big button, in that highlighted position besides the logo?
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Menu being still collapsed, I can’t spot any difference, apart that I’m not logged-in any more. And it’s the same whether I’m seeing the page in English, or French, with collapsed or normal sidebar menu.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
With the sidebar, I can’t see any real difference (I didn’t particularly look for them, though).
Without the sidebar, well, I’ve got to scroll more as the lines are shorter, and there are white empty areas on both sides. These make my eyes ache, since the screen is now brighter than with the sidebar menu. Also, I have to move eyes from right to left more often, and each moves makes me get the bright white on the sides right in the eyes, which I find uncomfortable. So, I wanted to switch back to the sidebar view, which required scrolling back to the top of the page to find that bloody hamburger button! But I feel better now that I’ve clicked it.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
If this "collapsible sidebar" idea has to be adopted, it would be a really good idea to make the empty spaces on the sides of the text area a darker color. Maybe just only the light grey (#f6f6f6) that is the current background, but I really can’t stand these in white. I’d rather have a Mediawiki night mode…
GGir
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Police de caractères plus grosse par rapport à mes paramètres d'affichage habituels, je dois ajuster l'affichage pour avoir l'équivalent.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Le lien pour l'article dans d'autres langues n'est pas explicite. C'est plus logique de le laisser sur le panneau gauche avec les autres liens.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Oui, j'ai trouvé sur quoi cliquer, mais ce n'est pas très parlant comme icone.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
il faudrait déjà que ce lien s'affiche... coins supérieur gauche ? coin supérieur droit ? Je suppose qu'il faut cliquer sur 'se déconnecter'... Ça masque par défaut le menu de gauche, je n'en vois pas l'intérêt.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
je n'arrive pas vraiment à voir pourquoi, mais l'article me semble plus agréable à lire dans la nouvelle version. (après avoir au préalable ajusté l'affichage)
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
En règle générale, Wikipédia s'adressant à tous, il me semble préférable de ne pas avoir d'icone pour certaines fonctionnalités, c'est toujours plus simple avec un hyperlien.
Chenspec
קחו דקה להביט סביב. מה ההתרשמות הראשונה שלכם? האם משהו מבלבל? נוח? מעניין במיוחד? (זכרו שמכיוון שזה אבטיפוס רוב הקישורים לא באמת עובדים, וייתכן שתיתקלו בבאגים או מוזרויות.)
(הסמל בצד מציק לי, זה נראה כמו שלושה פריטים נפרדים וקטן מידי לזיהוי מהיר. כשזה מוצג בגודל בולט יותר וכיחידה אחת זה יותר ברור וגם קל לאיתור במקרה הצורך)
דמיינו שאתם רוצים לעבור לקרוא את הערך בשפה אחרת. האם אתם מבינים איך לעשות את זה? מה אתם חושבים על החוויה הזאת?
(אני רגילה לחפש את זה בתפריט בצד ושם יש רק את רשימת המיזמים. לקח לי הרבה זמן לאתר את כפתור השפות ואני חושבת שזיהיתי אותו בעיקר לאור ההכרות המקדימה שיש לי איתו מויקישיתוף. אם לא הייתי מכירה אותו קודם, לא בטוח שהייתי . יודעת למה הכוונה. אני חושבת שרוב המשתמשים יפספסו את האפשרות)
דמיינו שאתם רוצים להסתיר את תפריט הצד הראשי. האם אתם יכולים להבין איך לעשות את זה? מה אתם חושבים על החוויה הזאת?
(אכן הצלחתי לעשות את זה, אבל רק בעקבות השאלה הזו. כשזה מוסתר המסך באמת נראה נקי יותר ונעים לעין. כשזה מוסתר גם כפתור השפות הרבה יותר בולט)
החוויה למשתמשים מחוץ לחשבון מעט שונה. לחצו בבקשה על קישור "יציאה מהחשבון" בפינה הימנית העליונה. האם אתם שמים לב למשהו שונה מהחוויה בתוך החשבון? מה אתם חושבים?
(אני רואה פחות אפשרויות בתפריט שליד שם המשמש והוא אוטומטית מקפל את תפריט הצד)
דמיינו שהמטרה העיקרית שלכם היא קריאת ערך. מה אתם חושבים על עיצוב הדף ועל חוויית הקריאה? איך אפשר להשוות אותה לחוויה הנוכחית בוויקיפדיה?
(עבור קריאה המסך הנקי יותר נוח ונעים בעין)
אנא הוסיפו מחשבות אחרונות, רעיונות, או שאלות.
(אם אפשר אשמח שהכפתור של השפות לא יחליף את הרשימה בצד אלא יתווסף אליה - כשיש דרך להסתיר את כל התפריט בצד זה פחות משנה אם יש כפילות)
Caillou15
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across. I think the header is a little too big, the older is better
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience? I think that the button to do this is easy to find like this.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience? I don't like the change of width when the side menu is collapsed. It will be better if the width of the text stay the same.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think? I don't find it very different.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia? The new new layout is less wide than the older so the part of the text that can be read is therefore smaller.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions. Do you think about modify the global UI or not ? It's good like this but you can change it if you want. A Mediawiki dark mode can be a good idea.
Lamiot
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Plutôt satisfait
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
pas de problème, j'ai facilement intuitivement trouvé
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
pas de problème, j'ai facilement intuitivement trouvé
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Je n'ai pas ressenti de différence majeure
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Le test d'un mode sombre me semble à faire, de même que
tout tenter pour qu'à qualité égale de confort de lecture et de modification, nos serveurs puissent être plus économes en énergie et dissiper moins de calories.
Rejean
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Peu de différences à première vue. Rien de déroutant. Je préfère l'ancien logo. Le nouveau ne devrait pas dépasser la limite de la bande de gauche
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Après avoir cherché à gauche, j'ai trouvé le bouton à droite. On y arrive facilement.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
J'ai eu l'idée de cliquer sur le bouton avant de vouloir faire quelque chose en particulier. Je m'attendais à un menu déroulant plutôt qu'à un bouton qui ne sert qu'à exécuter une seule action. Je suppose que c'est ainsi parce qu'il ne s'agit que d'un prototype.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Ce mode lecture, sans la barre de menu, est probablement plus intéressant pour la plupart des lecteurs.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
J'aime bien ce mode de lecture. Je l'utiliserais probablement en utilisant le bouton du menu déroulant.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Anon 04
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres beugues et bizarreries.)
Peu de changement. Le haut de page est toujours aussi encombré, alors que la plupart des fonctionnalités proposées ne sont utiles que très marginalement.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Facile à trouver, mois sûr pour la sélection de la bonne langue.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Facile, mais devrait sans doute être masqué par défaut.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
C'est masqué par défaut, tant mieux.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Honnêtement ça ne change pas grand-chose. L'emploi du style utilisateur "Wikipedia layout - enhanced" en conjonction avec un thème sombre et la suppression de certains éléments graphiques par une autre extension me permet d'ores et déjà de modifier bien plus radicalement l'apparence de la page. Ma page idéale n'est sans doute pas celle de tout le monde, mais forcément, pour moi, le présent changement est insignifiant.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
J'ai déjà accès à Wikipédia dans une formequi me convient, mais à supposer que mes désirs soient partagés par d'autres, voire une majorité, voici les différences :
_Thème noir. Devrait au moins être proposé ! Wikipédia ayant pour vocation d'offrir autant de connaissance que possible sur les sujets les plus divers par le biais de la lecture d'articles sur un écran, il me semble que permettre voire suggérer une lecture confortable et moins fatigante serait la moindre des choses.
_Menus compacts et persistants. La grande majorité des fonctionnalités ne sont pas utiles lors d'une simple lecture. Par ailleurs d'autres peuvent le devenir en cours de lecture, et gagneraient donc à être accessibles ailleurs qu'en haut de page.
Cela vaut aussi pour la barre de recherche, et, en fait, tout. A condition que cela reste compact.
_Zone de lecture centrale. Les avis semblent largement diverger sur ce point, mais personnellement je préfère que le texte ne soit pas étalé sur toute la largeur de mon écran. Les zones vides de part et d'autre pourraient être utilisées pour loger les menus (compacts et persistants) (à gauche) ; et peut-être une partie des images et l'infobox, pour permettre de les afficher en plus grand sans faire perdre de la place au texte principal (à droite).
-J'ajoute que la compacité des notes, références et autres permet une navigation à la barre latérale plus aisée, même si sur ce point l'amélioration la plus fondamentale serait de permettre d'accéder aux différentes sections par un menu persistant.
Anon 05
Il est très facile de changer de langue. Les animations sont appréciable. Ce qui pourrait aider, c'est l'utilisation de la couleur dans le texte pour faciliter la compréhension, et pas seulement pour repérer les liens internet. Merci.
1. Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
At first glance, I just noticed the embedded images on the webpage that seem a lot more abundant. I think that having more images always helps understanding. However, some of them just fit weirdly on the page, and I am not sure that having almost all of them on the right side of the page is the best option. To a larger extent, I have doubts about the overall design of the page, but we'll come back to it later. As a matter of convenience, I fear that nothing really changed. I am satisfied enough with the current version of Wikipedia though.
2. Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so?
Yes, the toolbar on the top right-hand corner just stands out.
3. Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yeah, it is the same button like on any other website. However, I looked for such a button because you told me one existed, if not, I would not even have thought of it. I think it would be relevant to have something more obvious.
4. The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top right corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The page seems a lot "messier" when you're logged in. You would have to collapse the menu bar to have the same design as when you're logged out. In fact, I think that having white spaces is much better for understanding. Just take a look at any other "knowledge website", there are white spaces.
5. Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Aside from the logo, I didn't feel any significant change for readers. <-- This is true actually. I think there could be a change in colors, font-sizes and font-styles The website looks very "2005-ish" as if there was no CSS at all. That is a bit harsh, I am sorry, but I think you could do much better in terms of design to enhance the overall readability.
6. Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I think that you should get inspiration from other websites. It seems pretty obvious but a lot of websites also aim at transmitting knowledge. Some of them are profit-oriented too. Therefore, they really took the time to have the best designs so as to build the best customer experience as possible. That could be Wikipedia !
Nemo Le Poisson
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres beugues et bizarreries.)
J'espère surtout que ce prototype va encore être retraivaillé car l'interface n'a que peu évolué et on est toujours avec un design de 2010.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Oui, ce n'estg pas une mauvaise chose mais le bouton est presque trop encombrant/
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Oui, c'est une bonne chose. Mais ils doivent encore être retravaillé
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
- Un thème sombre sera volontier souhaité ainsi que le choix sur l'étalement du texte (au centre ou toute la largeur) et la taille de police
Les boutons « modifier, discussion sont tjrs très vieillot
un onglet auteur par taille de texte contribué
prendre en compte les nombreux gadgets efficace existant sur les wikis et qui améliorent l'expérience
Shadi
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
le prototype fonctionne mal mais la photo est suffisante acctuellement.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Bonne.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Très bonne.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
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Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
C'est mieux car on peut cacher la toolbar.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
C'est un peu inspiré de la version mobile, bien.
louistisserand
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Changements mineurs à première vue, mais quelques manques en regardant de plus près, comme l'absence des Catégories
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Accès facile mais je ne sais pas si c'est plus pratique que précédemment en nombre de clics
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Pas intuitif de demander le menu déroulant pour le faire disparaitre! Et sur mon écran le résultat est que la zone de texte est réduite et déplacée quand le menu est enlevé, c'est surprenant et frustrant: quand je demande à enlever un menu ce n'est pas pour avoir encore moins de place utilisée pour l'écran au contraire. Je m'attendrais à ce que le texte prenne davantage de place en largeur ou demeure inchangé. En tant qu'informaticien je peux concevoir que c'est tentant de réutiliser dans le cas où le menu n'est pas affiché la visualisation tablette/téléphone, mais si j'ai pris un grand écran, c'est pour qu'il soit utilisé à 100%. Si je veux que la fenêtre prenne moins de place, c'est la fenêtre que je réduirai.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
même remarque sur l'utilisation de l'écran
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
bonne disposition
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Comme d'autres personnes je pense qu'avoir le menu de l'article placé avec le menu de l'application serait une bonne chose
Tacsipacsi
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The collapsed-sidebar version looks bad. Vector has grey background and borders, dropping these breaks the consistency of the skin. Limiting the width of the article is inconvenient for me—if I collapse the sidebar, I do so to have more space for the content. (Also, hiding of action tabs doesn’t work in the prototype, which means the layout severely breaks with 602px screen width on my computer (which is much larger than Galaxy S9/S9+’s 360px width), while this very page—with sidebar hidden—breaks much more gracefully only at 288px.)
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can find it, but switching to an often-used language takes more clicks. (I don’t know how good ULS is at remembering often-used languages, but certainly they’re one more click away.)
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The hamburger menu is relatively standard, but it could be a bit more prominent compared to the Wikipedia logo.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Only that sidebar is hidden by default (plus the different personal toolbar and the lack of move tab, of course). IMO this different layout may prevent some from contributing because of the lack of editing tools. The other projects toolbar is especially reader-oriented, hiding it without any notice of its existence is certainly a very bad idea.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I don’t think hiding the sidebar on large screens is worth it. The disappearing other projects sidebar makes navigating within Wikimedia harder; hiding other links don’t make reading experience better (neither worse). Hiding the sidebar on small screens is an improvement, of course.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Le changement du logo saute aux yeux, ainsi que les catégories du menu de gauche. Rien de spécialement déroutant, certaines choses sont pratiques (gestion des langues), d'autres moins (disparition des onglets "Modifier" tout en haut de l'article : c'était quand même plus simple... Mais surtout la disparition du menu, dont je parlerai plus bas).
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Le bouton de changement de langues, en haut à droite est facile à trouver, bien en évidence. Cela me semble plus pratique que la liste des langues dans le menu de gauche, qui alourdit la page. A l'usage, j'imagine qu'on s'habituera à chercher à droite et non dans le menu de gauche... Ah, et comme je vais assez souvent sur la version mobile de Wikipédia, ce logo me parlait plutôt...
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
C'est la partie la moins convaincante de ce prototype : comme cela a été dit par d'autres utilisateurs, ce n'est pas forcément très intuitif, vous n'auriez pas évoqué cette fonctionnalité, je n'y aurais pas pensé. Il faudrait penser à un visuel qui suggère plus clairement que l'on peut réduire le menu, ou le déployer.
Mais surtout, enlever le menu pour que le texte de l'article n'occupe que la moitié de l'écran, je ne vois pas du tout l'intérêt ! (je suis sur un ordinateur de bureau, je n'ai pas regardé si c'est différent sur un "laptop" et sur smartphone) S'agit-il d'une fonctionnalité pensée pour les smartphones ou tablettes ? Dans la version actuelle pour les mobiles, ça marche très bien.
Honnêtement, je ne comprends pas du tout l'intérêt, j'en viendrais presque à penser que vous avez fait exprès pour voir comment on réagit à une fonctionnalité qui n'a pas de sens !
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
On viendrait donc par défaut sans le menu affiché. Je ne suis pas sûr de voir l'intérêt. En tous cas, pas avec un site qui n'occuperait que la moitié de l'écran sur un ordinateur de bureau...
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Pas de différence majeure par rapport à la version actuelle. La seule que j'ai notée, c'est que seuls les titres de section ont le petit filet gris qui court sur la largeur de la page. Sur ce plan, le style du prototype est meilleur.
J'ai aussi noté de nouvelles bulles d'aides sur certaines abréviations (trad, n°, p...). C'est discret, donc pas trop gênant. Une fonction que l'on pourrait désactiver ?
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Pas grand chose à dire d'autre. Il est important de faire évoluer le site, à partir du moment où c'est en mieux. Donc, merci pour cela.
Mais franchement, la disparition du menu qui resserre le texte à la moitié de l'écran, c'est pas terrible...
Rartroz
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Peu de changements à première vue, un peu plus quand j'ai pensé à mettre la fenêtre en plein écran. Je ne comprends pas bien pourquoi on ne peut plus réduire le sommaire et les liens vers d'autres articles en bas de page, c'était pratique. Pareil pour la disparition du bouton Modifier en haut de la page.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Le menu pour choisir les langues est assez visible et simple d'utilisation. Le fait de pouvoir effectuer la recherche de la langue est un gros plus!
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Pas difficile à trouver puisque le symbole des trois barres est couramment utilisé comme bouton menu. Je trouve agréable de pouvoir masquer la barre latérale, ça désencombre la page et fluidifie la lecture.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
En dehors du fait que le menu se ferme tout seul et que certains onglets disparaissent, je ne vois pas de grandes différences du coup je ne sais pas trop quoi commenter.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
N'ayant pas pour habitude de mettre les fenêtres en plein écran, le changement de disposition de page ne m'a d'abord pas sauté aux yeux et j'ai failli passer à côté. La lecture est effectivement plus agréable une fois le menu masqué et la page centrée car il y a moins de distractions et je trouve personnellement que des paragraphes peu larges sont moins décourageants.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
L'ajout d'un mode sombre serait vraiment une amélioration ergonomique appréciable. Actuellement, la navigation sur Wikipedia me donne vite mal aux yeux à cause de la trop grande importance du blanc.
Nucleos
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I like the small pictures next to «wikidata» and so on. I don't like the fact the website takes time to load, and appears 'broken' till the CSS is completely applied. (Do you use @import?) I like the new spacing, and the smaller Wikipedia logo on the left. I don't like the fact the menu box is still not expandable/shrinkable. Above all, very few details are of importance to my eyes. why the boxes at the end are not shrinked?
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
yes, it is easy, but it took more than 5s to open the box. #tooslow
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I found it after 5s, and because I use Android, I got the idea to click on the 3 lines, top left of the screen. I would rather have this mode the default one.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
i don't see the difference.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
globally the same.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I would rather get a new organisation of the menu, with shrinkable/expandable items.
Xminor
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
J'ai l'impression que tout le monde semble oublier le nom du projet : « Améliorations pour ordinateur de bureau ». Hors, avec ce prototype, on se retrouve à devoir cliquer à tord et à travers, comme sur un mobile, Quel est, par exemple, l'interêt sur un ordinateur de bureau de vouloir cacher le menu de gauche ?
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
oui, je peux trouver comment faire, mais là encore, on est dans l'esprit cliquodrome, considérant qu'un nombre important (la majorité ?) d'articles ne sont disponibles que dans une poignée de langues qui présentement, peuvent être atteintes directement par un bon vieux lien hypertexte. Avec ce prototype, simplement pour passer par exemple, du français à l'anglais, voilà qu'il nous faut un clic intermédiaire.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Cette fonction n'a aucun interêt sur un ordinateur de bureau.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Une expérience différente selon que l'on soit connecté ou non à Wikipédia, ca fait un peu usine à gaz. Ca n'a aucun bon sens.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Sur un ordinateur de bureau, c'est une fonction franchement gadget. Au pire, pour celles et ceux qui utilisent Firefox, le mode lecture fait ca très bien.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Que le menu de gauche ai besoin d'être réorganisé, je pense que beaucoup de gens seront d'accord avec ca ; mais j'espère que l'on ne va pas succomber à la mode du design « tout mobile » qui fait que de nos jours, la navigation interne d'un site web est une vrai calamité sur ordinateur de bureau.
דג ירוק
קחו דקה להביט סביב. מה ההתרשמות הראשונה שלכם? האם משהו מבלבל? נוח? מעניין במיוחד? (זכרו שמכיוון שזה אבטיפוס רוב הקישורים לא באמת עובדים, וייתכן שתיתקלו בבאגים או מוזרויות.)
במבט ראשוני זה נראה טיפה יותר נוח, אבל ככל שמתקדמים בערך הוא נהיה פחות נוח לקריאה, בעיקר בגלל ההתאמות של ימין ושמאל.
דמיינו שאתם רוצים לעבור לקרוא את הערך בשפה אחרת. האם אתם מבינים איך לעשות את זה? מה אתם חושבים על החוויה הזאת?
זה כפתור בולט למדי שקשה לפספס אותו ואת הדרך בה הוא עובד; הבעיה היא שהוא טיפה בולט גם כשאני לא מחפש לקרוא את הערך בשפה אחרת...
דמיינו שאתם רוצים להסתיר את תפריט הצד הראשי. האם אתם יכולים להבין איך לעשות את זה? מה אתם חושבים על החוויה הזאת?
לא שמתי לב לאופציה הזו לפני שקראתי את השאלה (אם כי הייתי אמור לנחש); אני לא חושב שמישהו יעדיף לקרוא כך, זה משאיר שוליים רחבים למדי בשני צידי המסך (ושלא תעזו למלא אותם בפרסומות!).
החוויה למשתמשים מחוץ לחשבון מעט שונה. לחצו בבקשה על קישור "יציאה מהחשבון" בפינה הימנית העליונה. האם אתם שמים לב למשהו שונה מהחוויה בתוך החשבון? מה אתם חושבים?
שוב, לא אהבתי את השוליים של המסך, ולמשתמשים חדשים אני משער שזה אפילו פחות מזמין.
דמיינו שהמטרה העיקרית שלכם היא קריאת ערך. מה אתם חושבים על עיצוב הדף ועל חוויית הקריאה? איך אפשר להשוות אותה לחוויה הנוכחית בוויקיפדיה?
בעיקרון דומה; הבעיות שיש לי הן ההתאמות של תמונות והערות לימין ושמאל (אני מקווה שזו בעיה של מעבר התצוגה לעברית מדוגמה ולא בבעיה שתעבור לממשק האמיתי) והשוליים הרחבים...
אנא הוסיפו מחשבות אחרונות, רעיונות, או שאלות.
למה הכפתור "עריכת קוד מקור" הוחלף ב"הצגת מקור"? לא תהיה אפשרות לעריכת קוד מקור יותר?!
Filo gèn'
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype.
(Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ?
Aucun opinion à première vue
Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ?
Absolument rien de déroutant
pratique ?
L'Expérience reste là même
Particulièrement intéressant ?
La nouvelle disposition
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ?
Oui
Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Le sélecteur de langues peut être aussi placé à l'entête d'un article tout en restant dans la barre latéral, son fonctionnement ou son utilisation doit être simple, rapide et efficace, il doit comporté toutes les langues.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ?
Oui, en cliquant sur l'icône en haut à gauche
Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Elle n'est pas nouvelle, puisqu'il exite déjà un similaire dans Bêta qui s'appelle LeftPaneSwicth qui permet d'afficher et de masquer le menu latéral de gauche. L'idée suplémentaire qu'on discuter des wikimediens lors du Wikimania Stockholm me semble être la meilleure c'est a dire que les sections de la barre latérale de gauche soient également masquable (à l'intérieure de la barre latérale) pour une meilleure navigation (PC,Portable,Tablette) et qui malheuresement ne fait pas partie du test des prototypes.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Se déconnecter » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ?
Aucune différence, il faut toujours entrer le nom d'utilisateur et le mot de passe pour se connecter.
Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Il n'y a aucune différence de mon côté.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Toutes ces nouvelles améliorations doivent avoir un sens ou un but précis qui est celui de rendre la navigation sur Wikipédia et ses projets frères meilleurs et accecible à tous
Jean-Louis Tripon
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres beugues et bizarreries.)
Je ne vois pas de grands changements si ce n'est la nouvelle police plus ronde que je préfère. Cela manque un peu d'audace à mon avis (voir le dernier point).
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
J'aime lire les Wikipédia des autres langues (surtout les articles du Wikipédia Anglais) traduits en français ou en anglais pour disposer d'un contenu encyclopédique enrichi. J'ai d'ailleurs installé un lien permanent en.wikipedia dans la page d'aide du site de réseautage social que je dirige pour y accéder directement. Disposer d'un bouton bien visible en haut à droite pour le faire dans la formule de base me paraît une bonne chose
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Je ne désire pas masquer le menu principal dans la barra latérale
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
J'estime que le menu latéral m'est indispensable
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
L'absence de justification (alignement du texte à gauche et à droite) me semble une grosse lacune dans la formule actuelle. Vous devriez songer à y porter remède pour le confort de lecture.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
3 idées :
Opter pour un fond gris sombre (en évitant le noir) avec des écritures claires pour le repos des yeux.
Justifier les paragraphes pour faciliter la lecture
Opter pour une nouvelle en-tête moderne avec un bandeau couleur fond prune ou vert anglais sombre par exemple (voir nos options pour le réseau social Sic Itur
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
À première vue, il n'y a rien de déroutant. Il y a peu de différence avec l'affichage actuel, donc les habitudes de lecture ne sont pas chamboulées à première vue. La première différence qui apparaît est le logo Wikipédia : il est plus petit. Je préférais le voir dans sa taille habituelle, il est désormais trop discret et pas très visible. Le deuxième élément que j'ai vu est l'icône de menu latéral.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Un bouton des langues disponibles est clairement accessible en haut à droite.
(+) Excellente idée de le dissocier du menu de gauche, cette fonction est beaucoup plus visible et donc beaucoup plus pratique. Très bon choix car je m'en sers souvent pour consulter les articles dans d'autres langue, souvent plus fournis qu'en français.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Le menu de gauche peut être masqué en cliquant sur l'icône "Menu" hamburger.
(+) Très bonne idée de pouvoir masquer ce menu : il n'est pas utile pour tout le monde, et cela pouvait perturber la lecture de l'article en aérant ainsi la mise en page.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
C'est le contraire : le menu latéral disparaît par défaut pour les utilisateurs non connectés.
(+) Bonne idée, car ces fonctionnalités ne sont pas très utile pour une majorité d'utilisateurs qui sont de simples lecteurs.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
(+) Pouvoir masquer le menu latéral est très agréable car cela aère la page et rend donc la lecture plus agréable, sans distraction.
(-) Cependant, je n'aime pas que le corps du texte soit limité à une certaine largeur maximale : je vois beaucoup trop de marges blanches sur un grand écran, cela m'éblouit trop. Au delà d'une certaine largeur d'écran, les marges devrait avoir une largeur fixe, et non pas le corps du texte, qui doit pouvoir s'adapter. Je préfère donc l'actuelle mise en page de Wikipédia, qui ne limite pas la largeur des pages.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Un mode nuit (sur le même principe que l'appli mobile Wikipédia) serait le bienvenu, pour économiser l'énergie et éviter d'éblouir là où il y a trop de fonds blancs.
Il faudrait tester une conception en responsive design qui puisse s'adapter à la largeur de la fenêtre, voire permettre un comportement différent pour certains boutons tout en haut de page.
Enfin, le texte devrait être justifié (et non pas aligné à gauche) : ainsi, le corps de l'article serait plus élégant à lire. Personnellement, j'ai activé la justification du texte depuis longtemps grâce à mon CSS personnalisé, je ne peux plus me passer de ce confort de lecture.
Sokote zaman
یک دقیقه وقت گذاشته و کل صفحه را نگاه کنید. برداشت اولیه شما چیست؟ چیز گیجکنندهای پیدا کردهاید؟ مناسبه؟ جالب است؟ (به یاد داشته باشید که در نمونه اولیه بسیاری از پیوندها کار نخواهند کرد، و احتمالا به مشکلاتی برخورد خواهید کرد.)
(بازخورد شما)
تصور کنید که میخواهید مقاله را به زبان دیگری تغییر دهید. آیا متوجه شدید که چطور آن را انجام دهید؟ در مورد این تجربه جدید چه فکری میکنید؟
(بازخورد شما)
تصور کنید که میخواهید منوی کناری را ببندید. توانستید آن را انجام دهید؟ نظرتان در مورد این تجربه چیست؟
(بازخورد شما)
تجربه خروج از سیستم کمی متفاوت است. لطفا روی پیوند “Log out” در گوشه بالای صفحه کلیک کنید. متوجه چه تفاوتی با تجربه زمان ورود شدهاید؟ نظرتان چیست؟
(بازخورد شما)
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bcag2
Rien à ajouter
Le bouton est bien visible, ok
Le burger menu m'est apparu comme un simple switch (ce qu'il est finalement) et pas comme un menu. J'aime assez l'animation de celui du geoportail. J'aime bien aussi le bouton gitlab « Collapse sidebar bien en évidence, mais en bas (discret et visible) et qui laisse une barre avec juste les icônes.
Avec les écrans au format 16/9 qui se généralisent, même si pour du texte, c'est bien de ne pas faire trop large, ça me choque d'avoir la moitié de l'écran qui est vide! Ne serait-ce pas mieux dans ce cas de mettre le sommaire à gauche, le texte reste au milieu et le cartouche à droite?
Rien à ajouter
darktheme s'il vous plait, plus j'utilise de darkthem (code sous vim, gimp, nextcloud en dark theme…) moins je supporte ces écrans blancs!
AxlMun
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Ce qui me saute le plus aux yeux c'est le menu du contenu de la page sur une colonne (une fraction de largeur, parfois infime avec un écran 16/9e) alors que la partie située à sa droite est vide. De plus lorsque le menu est très long cela rend le défilement particulièrement fastidieux alors que la distance pourrait être divisée par deux, trois ou quatre (en fonction de la longueur des items de menu et de la largeur ded l'écran) et l'aspect de la page est bien plus agréable sans le grand "blanc" au milieu. Une autre possibilité serait de munir le menu d'un ascenseur et d'en limiter la hauteur (mais cela laisse la zone du milieu vide).
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
J'ai trouvé sans trop de recherches mais je m'inquiète de la place que ça pourrait prendre à cet endroit avec plusieurs dizaines de langues.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Je n'ai pas trouvé dans un temps raisonnable :-( ; par ailleurs, les pages wikipédia étant souvent très fournies et très longues il serait souhaitable que le menu principal dans la barre latérale ne défile pas en même temps que la page.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
La liste serait peut-être fastidieuse à établir mais je remarque l'impossibilité de choisir la langue et je n'en vois pas de raison valable. Pourquoi empêcher cela ?
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Je ne suis pas frappé par les changements sur une page standard avec beaucoup de texte. Cependant, le retour en haut de page à côté du titre de section a disparu ; pourquoi ? Un seul lien pour éditer (j'ai activé la version béta de l'éditeur) ; c'est bien.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Peut-être parce que l'écran des ordinateurs portables est de plus en plus grand et au format grande largeur mais j'apprécierais que le menu barre latérale de gauche ne défile pas en même temps que le page de contenu. Et, de la même façon, j'apprécierais que la ligne de menu du haut ainsi que la barre d'onglets située juste dessous, ne disparaissent pas lors du défilement.
AirSThib
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Je trouve intéressant de faire un menu qui peut se cacher, type smartphone, mais ce n'est pas très logique en soi quand il est replié car il reste un blanc à gauche et à droite, ce qui fait donc qu'on perd de l'espace. Après, on pourrait en profiter pour laisser le logo Wikipédia accroché puisque le menu de prend plus de place.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Oui, c'est très simple, d'autant plus qu'il est du même côté de l'infobox, qui, je le pense, est un des premiers éléments que regarde l'utilisateur. Dans la même optique, pourquoi ne pas faire pareil pour les autres projets Wikimedia ?
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Oui, c'est simple, peut-être aussi transformer les trois barres en croix lorsqu'il est ouvert. Après, les trois barres sont la norme pour les menus dépliants du web actuel, donc oui, c'est, pour moi, simple d'utilisation.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Quand on est connecté, on a directement le menu ouvert, au contraire du déconnecté. Après, je ne remarque pas d'autres différences.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Je trouve ça très bien la nouvelle mise en page. Après, elle ne change pas énormément mais c'est un progrès, la valorisation des wikis interlangues est une bonne idée. Par contre, mettre en avant le "Wikimedia store", je ne trouve pas ça une bonne idée, on est connus pour être une association non-lucrative.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Faire passer Page, Discussion, Lire, Modifier, etc. sur la même ligne que la barre principale, qui restera fixe, pour bien montrer au lecteur qu'on peut modifier. Ça permettrait aussi de libérer un peu d'espace, pour ajouter un sommaire fixe sur la droite. Pour l'instant, je ne vois que ça, mais un outil de retours des lecteurs sous forme de QCM, pour éviter les contenus malfaisants, seraient une bonne idée.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The page took rather a long time to load. Other than than, the collapsed list of language links in the top right corner is noticeable, but not necessarily convenient, as the grouping by continent makes switching to e.g. German or French rather awkward. Most importantly: Where are the categories?
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
See above. It's cumbersome. Having the explicit language links in alphabetical order on the left side works much quicker and easier for me.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Why would I want to do that? IMHO this is unnecessary. Thank goodness the time of small monitors is over.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Hiding the tools on the left hand side is not a good idea even in the logged-out state. Even then I need them quite often. The language links are the most important ones for me, because I often read more than one version of an article.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It would be fairly acceptable, I guess, except that no categories are displayed. That's bad. I use them quite a lot to find out about related topice. I'm not a fan of the Vector skin anyway, I always liked the look and feel of MonoBook much better. Everything important in a row, and all that.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
To be honest, the so-called improvements would be a change to the worse for me. Do not spend so much effort on appearances, as long as the pages remain easy to navigate. However, any user, even when logged out, should be able to chose the "skin" they like best. And don't forget to display the categories and the language links! --Schlosser67 (talk) 15:54, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Justinetto
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Le prototype proposé ne m’a pas du tout dérouté, il m'a paru très ressemblant avec la présentation actuelle.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
C'est apparemment dans la fenêtre "224 Langues" en haut à droite qu'il faut cliquer.
Le "français" ne se trouve pas du premier coup d'oeil. Il aurait sa place dans la rubrique "Dans le monde entier", où se trouve déjà le... volapük.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
J’ai fini - non sans mal - par trouver et à cliquer sur les trois traits horizontaux en haut à gauche, en croyant d’ailleurs qu’un menu allait s’ouvrir. Bon, une fois trouvé l’emplacement et compris l’utilité de cet affichage élargi, on ne cherche plus et c’est immédiat.
J’ai apprécié la disparition du bandeau vertical de gauche, qui empiète inutilement la plupart du temps sur la page alors qu’on (en tout cas, moi) l’utilise assez peu, mais qu’on peut rappeler à tout moment en cas de besoin.
Deux-trois mots d’explication pourraient être affichés lorsqu’on place la souris sur ce logo des 3 barres) pour ceux qui n’oseraient pas cliquer dessus.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
(« Log out » n’a pas été traduit dans le présent texte, mais la version française affiche bien « Se déconnecter ». De même, les deux illustrations figurant dans la rubrique « Aperçu du protoype » sont celles de la version anglaise. C’est… agaçant.)
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Curieusement, je n’ai pas trouvé de différence avec les pages actuelles de Wikipedia. Pour des articles aussi longs que celui sur la Lune, la possibilité de revenir tout en haut de la page, sans avoir à cliquer ou à se déplacer dans l’ascenseur serait agréable. Et appeler le plan à tout moment en ‘surimpression’ serait utile pour voir où on en est et éventuellement aller ailleurs.
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Je ne remarque pas de différences avec la version actuelle de Wikipedia, à part la taille de la police utilisée.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
C'est simple et intuitif.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
J'ai cliqué un peu au hasard avant d'avoir vu la question, j'ai donc trouvé comment faire, mais ce n'est pas réellement clair que ce bouton serve à cacher la barre latérale. Et puis cela laisse énormément d'espace inutilisé.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
J'ai l'impression que cela revient à simplement cacher la barre latérale, et encore une fois cela laisse beaucoup d'espace inutilisé.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Le changement de police rend la lecture légèrement agréable, mais ça n'est pas réellement marquant sur le long terme (la lecture d'articles longs reste fatigante).
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importe quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Un sommaire mobile pour naviguer plus facilement dans la page serait bienvenu.
צחי
קחו דקה להביט סביב. מה ההתרשמות הראשונה שלכם? האם משהו מבלבל? נוח? מעניין במיוחד? (זכרו שמכיוון שזה אבטיפוס רוב הקישורים לא באמת עובדים, וייתכן שתיתקלו בבאגים או מוזרויות.)
(המשוב שלכם כאן)Ctrl-Z doesn't undo edits from buttons.
דמיינו שאתם רוצים לעבור לקרוא את הערך בשפה אחרת. האם אתם מבינים איך לעשות את זה? מה אתם חושבים על החוויה הזאת?
(המשוב שלכם כאן)סביר
דמיינו שאתם רוצים להסתיר את תפריט הצד הראשי. האם אתם יכולים להבין איך לעשות את זה? מה אתם חושבים על החוויה הזאת?
(המשוב שלכם כאן)לקח קצת זמן לקלוט. צריך לקרב את הכפתור לתפריט. חוץ מזה הדף לא מתרחב במקום התפריט, פשוט נשאר מקום ריק, שזה חסר תועלת.
החוויה למשתמשים מחוץ לחשבון מעט שונה. לחצו בבקשה על קישור "יציאה מהחשבון" בפינה הימנית העליונה. האם אתם שמים לב למשהו שונה מהחוויה בתוך החשבון? מה אתם חושבים?
(המשוב שלכם כאן)מחוץ לחשבון אין תפריט צד מימין ונוצרים שוליים רחבים משמאל. לא ברור מה התועלת בכך.
דמיינו שהמטרה העיקרית שלכם היא קריאת ערך. מה אתם חושבים על עיצוב הדף ועל חוויית הקריאה? איך אפשר להשוות אותה לחוויה הנוכחית בוויקיפדיה?
(המשוב שלכם כאן)דומה מאוד.
אנא הוסיפו מחשבות אחרונות, רעיונות, או שאלות.
(המשוב שלכם כאן) פסקה חדשה. המממ... בסדר.
classsource
DC2
put the quality-star and protected-logo to the right of the languages menu, so it will save space.
it misses a bigger space to separate sections, or maybe a thinner line, but the actual way is too much narrow
geraki
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Does not seem too different than what I am used to. So, now weirdness or confusion. Only some things different.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, the languages button is very prominent. Too prominent in my opinion.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, the hamburger button is visible and obvious what it does. In fact it should already be collapsed and not expanded by default.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
OK, now I get it. Collapsed for readers and expanded for editors. Nice.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It is much better. I agree that the 960px width is much better for reading.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I would like the 960px width to be set as default for editors too (so that they can see what the readers see) and let them choose through the preferences.
I would like the sidebar menu to float on top of the content on narrow displays. On wider displays, depending on the user's preference about the max-width, display left of the content, much in the same way used by the Timeless skin.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Bonjour. Donc voici en image le problème auquel j'ai été confronté lorsque je suis arrivé sur la page consacrée à la Lune :
Comme vous voyez, on ne voit pas la partie haute-gauche de la fenêtre.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Oui c'est simple et intuitif. En revanche le contenu du menu déroulant contient des noms de langue parfois sur deux colonnes, parfois sur trois colonnes sans que l'on ne comprenne bien pourquoi.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Comme vous le voyez sur l'image il y a comme un problème pour comprendre quoi faire. La boite d'information de Firefox cache une partie importante de la fenêtre : celle où devrait s'afficher l'icône permettant d'avoir accès aux options. Mais encore faut-il savoir que l'icône correspond à cela... Une fois qu'on a trouvé comment faire, ça va mieux. Bref c'est la galère tant que l'on n'a pas compris l'astuce, et une fois qu'on a compris alors il n'y a plus aucun problème.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Ce qui s'affiche est conforme à ce qu'un lecteur non-contributeur a besoin.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Effectivement c'est plus agréable à lire. Le souci est que ne pas voir la barre d'options à gauche est stressant pour une personne qui y est habituée.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Faire en sorte que le bouton permettant d'accéder au menu d'option soit constamment visible, sinon on se retrouve dans la situation suivante : où on n'a plus du tout accès aux options. Il faut alors que l'utilisateur remonte l'article tout en haut pour y avoir accès de nouveau, c'est pénible. Ne pourrait-on pas 1) pour chaque option afficher un bouton au lieu d'un texte (ça prendrait moins de place et ça serait axé "objets" donc plus intuitif qu'aujourd'hui, 2) faire en sorte que les options ou le bouton permettant d'y accéder soient visibles en permanence.
Merci à vous !
שמזן
קחו דקה להביט סביב. מה ההתרשמות הראשונה שלכם? האם משהו מבלבל? נוח? מעניין במיוחד? (זכרו שמכיוון שזה אבטיפוס רוב הקישורים לא באמת עובדים, וייתכן שתיתקלו בבאגים או מוזרויות.)
אהבתי את התצוגה של הערך בשפות אחרות, אבל לא הבנתי היכן מוצגות קטגוריות.
דמיינו שאתם רוצים לעבור לקרוא את הערך בשפה אחרת. האם אתם מבינים איך לעשות את זה? מה אתם חושבים על החוויה הזאת?
הרבה יותר נוח מאשר המצב כיום. אהבתי.
דמיינו שאתם רוצים להסתיר את תפריט הצד הראשי. האם אתם יכולים להבין איך לעשות את זה? מה אתם חושבים על החוויה הזאת?
בעקבות ניסוי וטעיה הבנתי שלחיצה על הכפתור בעל שלושת הקווים בצד ימין גורם לכך, אבל אני לא חושב שהדרך לעשות זאת ברורה מספיק.
החוויה למשתמשים מחוץ לחשבון מעט שונה. לחצו בבקשה על קישור "יציאה מהחשבון" בפינה הימנית העליונה. האם אתם שמים לב למשהו שונה מהחוויה בתוך החשבון? מה אתם חושבים?
אהבתי. רוב המשתמשים האנונימיים אינם זקוקים לתפריט הצד, שרוב הקישורים בו נדרשים רק לעורכים ותיקים.
דמיינו שהמטרה העיקרית שלכם היא קריאת ערך. מה אתם חושבים על עיצוב הדף ועל חוויית הקריאה? איך אפשר להשוות אותה לחוויה הנוכחית בוויקיפדיה?
אסתטי יותר. עם זאת, השטח הלבן הריק משני צידי הטקסט גם קצת מפריע.
אנא הוסיפו מחשבות אחרונות, רעיונות, או שאלות.
(המשוב שלכם כאן)
Momooo B
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres beugs et bizarreries.)
Le bandeau de gauche va-t-il rester et être changé ou être totalement supprimé ? La seconde option sera intéressante, sachant que le menu n'est affiché qu'en haut de la page, ce qui laisse un espace vide. Un menu en haut de page serait intéressant ou bien un menu rétractable
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
La division des langues en région me semble inutile. Un classement alphabétique me parait plus adapté.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Le fait que toute la largeur de la page soit occupée par l'article optimise l'espace. Mais les marges me paraissent un peu juste...
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Pas de remarque.
Vous pouvez ajouter n’importes quelles idées, remarques ou questions pour finir.
Pour les références, il serait intéressant de rassembler les sources pour qu'il n'y ait pas de doublon. De même, séparer les sources par catégories serait bien (livres, articles journalistiques, articles scientifiques...). Cela permettrai de mettre en avant les sources sérieuses (j'entends par là les articles, livres ou publications qui sont elles-mêmes bien sourcées, ou dont l'auteur est un expert reconnu).
J. N. Squire
Prenez une minute pour observer le prototype. Quelles premières impressions avez-vous ? Trouvez-vous que quelque chose soit déroutant ? pratique ? particulièrement intéressant ? (Gardez en tête que, puisqu’il s’agit d’un prototype, la plupart des liens ne fonctionnent effectivement pas, et il se peut que vous rencontriez d’autres bogues et bizarreries.)
Français Beaucoup d'espace inutilisé entre le nouveau logo et le nom de l'utilisateur (écran 1080p). Le menu latéral est plus haut, ce que est bien, même s'il n'a pas l'air d'avoir beaucoup changé lui-même. Le nouveau bouton pour changer la langue de l'article m'intéresse.
Sinon, il n'y a pas de grands changements pour corriger des éléments déroutants qui entravent l'expérience de lecture de l'article. Je remarque que la largeur par défaut des lignes de texte du contenu de l'article est toujours trop importante, ce qui complique la lisibilité (je suis autiste et très sensible aux distractions et aux surcharges d'information visuelle). Les onglets ont toujours une apparence vieillotte. Le sommaire est toujours situé à un emplacement déroutant pour naviguer dans un article si long.
English
Lots of unused space between the new logo and the user name (1080p screen). The side menu is higher, which is good, even if it doesn't look like it has changed much itself. I'm interested in the new button to change the language of the article.
Beside this, there are no big changes to correct confusing items that hamper the reading experience of the article. I noticed that the default width of the text lines of the article's content is still too large and takes almost the whole sreen width, which makes it difficult to read (I am autistic and very sensitive to distractions and visual information overload so I see it as a big accessibility issue). The tabs still look old-fashioned. The Table of Contents is still located in a confusing place to navigate through such a long article.
Imaginez que vous vouliez lire l’article dans une autre langue. Pouvez-vous trouver comment le faire ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
J'ai trouvé très facilement le bouton permettant d'aller vers d'autres langues. Je trouve bienvenue de réduire l'espace occupé par ces liens et je pense que cela les met plus en valeur pour un lecteur normal qu'une longue liste.
English
I easily found the button to go to other languages. I really welcome the reduction of the space occupied by these links and I think that it makes them stand out more for a normal reader than a long list.
Imaginez que vous vouliez masquer le menu principal dans la barre latérale. Pouvez-vous trouver comment faire cela ? Que pensez-vous de cette expérience ?
Français J'ai un peu tâtonné, puis j'ai reconnu une icône "hamburger" similaire à mon expérience sur mobile, et j'ai cliqué dessus pour masquer la barre latérale même si je ne savais pas trop si c'était le bon bouton. Franchement, la position actuelle de cette icône, sur la barre du haut n'est pas du tout intuitive ; j'ai même cru au début qu'il s'agissait un nouveau moyen d'afficher le sommaire dans une barre latérale !
Quelqu'un de moins expérimenté avec les interfaces mobiles aura encore plus de mal à trouver comment masquer cette barre latérale. Je pense donc que cette icône devrait être placée ailleurs, eut-être en haut du menu ou entre le menu et le contenu de l'article. L'"hamburger" pourrait être éventuellement remplacé par une icone "flèche".
English
I fumbled around a bit, then I recognized a "hamburger" icon similar to my mobile experience, and I clicked on it to hide the sidebar even though I wasn't sure if it was the right button. To be blunt, the current position of this icon, on the top bar, is not at all intuitive; I even thought at first that it was a new way to display the ToC in a sidebar!
Someone less used to mobile interfaces will have even more troubles to figure out how to hide this sidebar. So I think this icon should be placed somewhere else, maybe at the top of the sidebar menu or between that menu and the Article content. The "hamburger" could possibly be replaced by an "arrow" icon.
L’expérience lorsque l’on n’est pas connecté est légèrement différente. Veuillez cliquer sur le lien « Log out » dans le coin supérieur. Que remarquez-vous de différent par rapport à l’expérience lorsque l’on est connecté ? Qu’en pensez-vous ?
Français Je ne remarque pas de changement particulier par rapport à la restriction déjà existante des User Tools. Il est juste agaçant de devoir recliquer sur le bouton "hamburger" pour retourner à l’apparence choisie.
English
I didn't notice any specific change from the already existing User Tools restrictions for unlogged contributors. It's just annoying to have to click on the "hamburger" button again to return to the look.
Imaginez que votre principal objectif est de lire un article. Que pensez-vous de la disposition de la page et de l’expérience de lecture ? Quelle comparaison faites-vous avec l’expérience actuelle sur Wikipedia ?
Français Je trouve le nouvel arrangement du logo beaucoup plus cohérent. J'aime beaucoup la réduction de la largeur des lignes de texte de l'article, car je perds beaucoup moins le fil de ma lecture grâce à une distraction visuelle réduite. En revanche, la taille de la police de caractères est toujours difficile à lire avec des résolutions élevées d'écran.
La navigation au sein des longs articles est sérieusement handicapée par la disparition du sommaire (ToC) de notre vue, lequel reste coincé sous le résumé introductif, quand on fait défiler la page. Cela force à retourner en haut de l'article ou scroller la page, ce qui fait perdre du temps quand un article a beaucoup de contenu. Ce sommaire devrait être séparé du contenu de l'article et décalé dans une colonne latérale, surtout que de l’espace a été libéré.
Exemples de site avec des sommaires mis en colonne latérale (certains listent aussi figures et tableaux) :
Il est également dommage que d'autres éléments comme la barre horizontale principale et la fonctionnalité de recherche continuent de disparaître lorsqu'on fait défiler une page car je perds du temps à chaque fois que je veux les retrouver.
English
I think that the new layout of the logo is much more logical. I really like the reduction in the width of the text lines in the article, as I lose much less of my reading flow thanks to reduced visual distraction. On the other hand, the font size of the same Article content makes the text still difficult to read with high screen resolutions; it has to be kept in mind for future improvements.
Navigating through long articles is seriously hampered by the Table of Contents (ToC) getting hidden from our view once I scroll, a ToC still stuck under the introduction of the article when we scroll down the page. This forces the reader to go back to the top of the article or scroll up the page, which wastes time when an article has a lot of content (like this one about the Moon). This ToC should be separated from the Article content and moved to a side column that wouldn't disappear when scrolling the page, especially since space has been freed up thanks to the new "hamburger button".
Examples of sites with ToC in a sidebar (some also list figures and tables):
It's also an issue that other elements like the top horizontal bar and the search feature keep disappearing when scrolling the article down because I lose time every time I want to use them.
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Français Besoin d'un mode sombre ; se servir de l'espace dégagé sur les côtés pour déplacer le sommaire dans une colonne latérale rétractable (à gauche pour les écritures se lisant de gauche à droite) et peut-être aussi mettre l'infobox en dehors de la colonne principale ; ce menu latéral est à réorganiser.
Le design des onglets des Article Tools est à rafraîchir d'urgence et la fonctionnalité de recherche est à déplacer dans la barre de menu horizontale.
English
Dark mode needed; you could use the fred space on the sides to move some elements into a retractable side column (on the left for entries that read from left to right) and maybe also put the infobox outside the main column; this side menu needs to be reorganized.
The design of the Article Tools tabs needs to be refreshed urgently and the search functionality needs to be moved to the horizontal menu bar.
Aron
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The header contains more unused space than in Vector, the small logo icon is neat. The .vectorTabs are even more disturbing and out-of-place than in Vector. They just don't integrate, with anything. It would look cool, if this was an arcade game, where the player has to jump up, but... it isn't.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I've noticed the button by accident in the previous step. It is quite noticeable, which is good. The icon is confusing for me. I'm still thinking how that expresses multilingualism. The first character... I'm ashamed I have no idea what language it came from. Actually I just assume it's a character, I'm not sure. Maybe the speaker of that language thinks the same about the letter A, so this is just an observation.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, I'm familiar with the hamburger menu, but I don't like it in any app. In this particular case it looks awkward next to the wiki logo, as it pales in comparison: the lines are too thin, weightless, next to globe. I'd prefer something more substantial, more graphical, that depicts something recognizable. Maybe a V shape (like an arrow) below the logo - as if the logo was sitting (levitating) in the V - would be quite inviting to open the logo and see what comes out of it. 😃 A sitemap! The whole wikiglobe laid out! That would be more graspable, tactile.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
(On a 1920px wide screen...) 2 quarters of the screen is plain white... wasted space. I don't like this worldwide trend of using only the middle of the screen. The infobox could be placed in the right column as a cheat-sheet or reference... how useful that would be compared to a plain white field.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
... The same? There's a 2 page long infobox, and a 1.5 page long TOC, no article in sight... I guess this page was deliberately chosen to demonstrate that the current design does not scale... It's the perfect choice. 😂 To scroll 2 pages down to get to the article is just terrible.
If we compare with https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Moon : That starts pretty good, the TOC is on the left, not taking up space in the article. Big margins there too, wasteful, but at least half of the content width is the article itself. And then it falls apart on the images... Well, it was a good start.
This article is really the best choice to test the concept. If it passes, it'll pass every challenge.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Morale of the story (my opinion): take away the TOC (to the left column), move the infobox into the right column and show the article in the middle.
Eradicate .vectorTabs from existence (that's personal). Make the wikiglobe levitate on a high-angle V and open the sidebar when clicked.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Confused to why I was "logged in" to a WMF domain, but that my usename was wrong, and I had new message notifications. Confused that the new messages notifications bell didn't work. Confused that links to find out more about who the site thought I was (like Prefernces) didn't work. Once I realized this was a completely non-normal project environment I tried some other menu items that also all didn't work (e.g. Move, History, View Source - which failed at a one-way dead end to 404 Not found. Found it confusing that the "More" menu breaks when you click on it, staying uncollapsed.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I actually immediately tried to switch languages with the ?uselang parameter just to see what was going on in #1, which failed. I did manage to wander in to the language menu and see translated versions of the page.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I could not find a way to collapse the side bar, I found the three bar control at the top that appeared to change the entire page layout to a mobile view? I didn't like that at all.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The largest thing I noticed was that all of a sudden over half of my screen was consumed in whitespace, I don't like that at all.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It seems worse then the production English Wikipedia, notably when hovering on link I don't get any sort of look ahead, but instead a tool-tip that is the same text as the link text.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I don't think we should be pushing this experiment out as a production CentralNotice at this time.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I honestly couldn't find any differences at first, which surprised me since I use Wikipedia a lot and usually notice subtle changes to things I frequent. The only things I noticed were that the header was overlapping more than usual when my window was at half width and I was getting a lot of extraneous tooltips, though I assume these are both bugs that will be fixed at some point.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Aha! A difference! I did figure it out. It was easy enough to find when I looked for it. The new button makes sense; it takes up less space (more proportional to how often the typical user uses it, I imagine), and is now nice and prominent. Just in general, I really like the fact that "文A" is becoming an international symbol for "language".
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It was easy enough to figure out, though I don't think I would have ever thought to collapse it given that I'm now so used to it being a permanent feature.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Ah. I like this. It hides settings that are less likely to be desired for a new user, and also ensures that you know there is a toggleable sidebar by the time you create an account. I'm also much more likely to look for a sidebar that I can expand on a new website than to look for a way to collapse a shown sidebar on a new website. Also, the fact that the text gets wider when you open the sidebar looks really weird (much weirder than it looks when you collapse it and the text gets narrower). I would recommend using the thicker margins in both views.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
In the logged out mode, it looks much cleaner and more modern. It feels like the article is more prominent and that there is less visual clutter. Easier to focus on reading.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I think more substantial aesthetic changes would be perfectly fine, but I also greatly appreciate subtle changes like this. Since it's so subtle, I don't think ye need to worry too much about users getting confused and complaining. I say full send.
Edit: in response to some other suggestions I've seen, I'd like to say that I would advise against an interactive presentation on first visits (I find those obnoxious) and having a header disappear when scrolling up but reappear when scrolling down (that makes webpages feel clunky and uncomfortable to me).
No pre-filled nothing: I’m looking at an otherwise blank textarea as I type this. You forgot some people do not use VisualEditor? That bodes well, indeed.
As for the new tab I opened, the obvious difference is the Wikipedia logo ridiculously small, a UI-nightmare of a "≡" button next to it (it toggles the sidebar on and off, woo!, is it the 1980s already?), and at the upper right a dropdown with «226 languages» that gives out the already well known and widely hated list of languages with looooots of whitespace (because screen real estate is to be squandered like this, amirite?), sorted to «match my preferences» (which it totally does not), hiding the marvelous wealth which is the very fact that there are multiple language versions of Wikipedia and visitors can switch back and forth. That hiding (already in place in several Wikipedias, fortunately not the flagship one) is one of the most eggregious attacks against the wiki spirit ever perpetrated by the WMF — sadly one among many.
Dear jdrewniak, I’m sure you’re a delightful person, very skilled in your toolset and eager to improve the projects. But this is the wrong way, 180°. The WMF needs to drop all this ridiculous makework and go back to basics, letting the community lead itself and just make sure the pipes don’t leak. If there’s more money than that’s needed for that, better spend it on a dedicated server farm deep in the caves of Svalbard or something.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
(your feedback here)
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
No; the current setup is better.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
No; so far, I'm not impressed.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Wasted whitespace on both sides; no sidebar.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I like the page centering.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I prefer the current layout.
Anon
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I see very little difference. If no one told me, I would not have noticed anything was different.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, easy and clear how to switch languages. Like that there is a search.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Pretty intuitive to figure out, but I am used to seeing hamburger menus as collapse buttons. May be challenging for some people to figure out. I didn't like that it made the whole column narrower.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Like that it's a bit of a simpler view, but it does seem like a bit of wasted space.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
No difference from current experience.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Bryan Rutherford
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
My first reaction was: ... is anything different? Apart from the slightly smaller logo, I couldn't spot anything. Finally I noticed the hamburger menu button, and the fact that categories aren't at the bottom; wasn't able to figure out where they are now, which is a problem. Also, the navboxes at the bottom are all opened up; surely that's a bug or something? Why wouldn't they autocollapse?
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I pretty quickly found the menu, but I found it less helpful than the old alphabetized list of languages on the sidebar, though I suppose this way takes up less space (though the old way was only using sidebar space, so who cares?).
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
That didn't take long to spot, but I was baffled by the fact that closing the sidebar actually made the article layout narrower rather than wider. Why on Earth does it do that? Who closes a sidebar in order to make the display narrower? What's the use of the massive white spaces to the sides?
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I may just be too slow, but even after some searching around I couldn't spot any differences at all, other than the lack of user-related buttons at the top and the fact that it then defaulted to having the sidebar closed rather than open.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
...It's exactly the same as the current site? So, fine? I feel like I'm missing something here, because I don't see any changes in the article layout at all.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
If categories are actually just not there any more, then that needs to be fixed. I'll never close the sidebar, so it won't affect me, but I can't understand why that narrows rather than widens the article layout. If there was some substantive change to article layout, then I couldn't spot it.
thegooduser
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The Page seems confusing because the interwiki links have moved, there should also be a dark theme for users logged in and out.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
yup
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
yup
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
there should be a dark theme
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
there should be an option to make the font bigger or smaller
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
There should be a fonts option, a dark theme option, and maybe the top bar where it says Wikipedia and the user info can stay when you scroll down the page (like the google search, cnn, etc)
MusikAnimal
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Being able to collapse the sidebar is a nice improvement.
Update: I just now noticed categories are not shown. Frankly, I think this is fine for readers. I don't have data but I suspect categories aren't a very popular feature. To editors, and the curious, they can be critical. I would suggest showing categories for all logged-in users.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, that is very obvious. Perhaps too obvious for something like the English Wikipedia. I am going to assume it's not very common to switch languages (at least to no more than a handful?), so it just adds noise to the UI. We could just hide the language dropdown with site CSS, but there's apparently no alternative way to change languages, and also the indicators would look odd below the subject line and not above. I'm not sure I have a good counter proposal, but I do believe enwiki may not like the dropdown.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Easy and intuitive. I like it!
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I'm not sure that I noticed much of a difference, aside from the usual change in links. I don't know if the sidebar being collapsed by default is intentional, but I suppose this makes sense from a editor/reader standpoint.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The collapsed sidebar gives it less noise and more focus on the content, which I think is nice. However on my screen it reduces the overall width of the content area just enough that there are only two columns of references when there could be three, and similarly other elements seem more condensed. This part I don't especially like. I support some sort of max width (full width on a really big screen can look not-so-great), but I think it should be a bit wider than it is in this prototype.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Overall this seems like a good first step. My recommendations are to increase the overall width of the content when the sidebar is collapsed, show categories for logged-in users, and to offer some alternative to the placement of the language dropdown for projects where it isn't often used.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It lacks the metadata I normally see on Wikipedia via scripts and gadgets.
It lacks some tools/links in the left sidebar.
Tooltips lack the popup summaries I usually see. This may be one of those bugs/quirks.
Categories missing. I did not notice that at first, but not a good thing.
Navboxes expanded. It may be these ones are not collapsible, but if they are, this is a questionable change. Could cause problems when multiple large navboxes are used.
Otherwise looks remarkably similar to what I normally see
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Switched to es:, fr:, simple: without difficulty. The dropdown does not bother me at all (commenting in response to MusikAnimal above) Not a thing I normally use often, but for people with English as second language it may be useful. It might encourage me as an editor to check other languages for useful content not yet on en: more often.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Was not difficult, maybe I was lucky. Was not expecting text to get narrower with wide whitespace. Do not see much point, but maybe I am missing something because my screen is wider than normal. Removing/hiding the tools does not encourage using the tools.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I do not see the point. Removing/hiding the tools does not encourage using the tools. I would recommend testing whether this reduced view results in a change in frequency of useful edits.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Not significantly different.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
At this point I do not see what this is intended to achieve.
santropedro
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
-I really like that finally I don't have to search my language (spanish) really hard, but it poped right in the top after clicking the language button.I also want english to always appear near the top, it's the language a lot of users need always readily.The main sidebar menu collapsing is excellent, finally!!! It's useless space wasted, you don't need to click it most of the time, and if you do, you just open it.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Obviously it's really easy. Don't conform to idiots who can't.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Excellent, awesome.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I don't understand this question very well. I guess: It's different that now there isn't the personalized options that come with having an account.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Is all the exact same thing, I notice almost no changes, all very inconsequential. I mean, if there are i didn't realize yet, it takes some time to do realize things.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
You took out the categories at the bottom of the articles, I'm not sure that it's good, I didn't think they were bad before, as ,long as there is a way to get to them I'm fine. I like wikipedia categories a lot, a lot, they are awesome, so mantain some form of navigating them please.
Inherentcabbage
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I like that you can hide the left sidebar. Nice de-cluttering.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Figured it out pretty easily. This way's cleaner, probably more obvious, as long as you know the language you're starting from (so you can read the button).
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, I was pretty happy about it.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Can't favorite, no "More" tab. Options at the very top are different. All what you'd expect, and the experience of reading the article seems the same.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Basically the same but a little nicer. More white space, not sure what I think about that. Probably better.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
It's similar to when you use the mobile site on desktop, but with smaller text and smaller buttons.
"Anon"
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I saw you got rid of all the languages on the side. Definitely improvement!!
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
As above, big improvement!!
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
no, I would like that feature very, very much, but I saw no way to do it. ???? Wait, finally figured it out. That is a good feature to have, but pain in the neck how hidden it is. I'd never have found it during normal casual use. How about an icon with a name instead of something so cryptic?
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
OK, when I logged out, then the main sidebar menu collapsed. Didn't see anything else very exciting happen, except, getting logged out. I wouldn't use this, I stay logged in all the time usually.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
no difference that I could see. Maybe, subheadings are indented in the menu?
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I really like the boxes on the side with all the data in a convenient easy to find format.
I have another suggestion-- I would suggest that you start having two levels of difficulty on a lot of the science articles: the level they are at now, and a second, lower level one, one pitched for someone who only has a general layman's knowledge of Science and Math. The one on the Moon was really good, in terms of being accessible, but a lot of the other science ones, read like an entry pitched to someone with a graduate degree in the field.
TPFNoob
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I feel like the redesign keeps the main problem I have with all of the curent design options. I don't like having the sidebar, which I, as a native english reader, almost never use, always there, restricting the space available to the article itself. I like that the lanuages are off of the sidebar, just hide it by default for everyone, and let the article fill out the rest of the space.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I saw that menu change, and I like the change, seeing as I think it is still convientent even for those swapping between lanuages often.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I like the ability to collapse it, just allow the article to fill out the rest of the space so it actually helps with the reading experience instead of replacing buttons that I never use with empty space.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Great, same suggestion as above, definately improved
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Better, same suggestion, the empty space on the logged out article is a bit jarring because for some reason only a third of available space is being used.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Can we have a dark mode or improve compatibility with dark mode extensions, sometimes the logo and the buttons on the article bar, like article, discussion, read, view source, and some wikimedia notifactions break when using dark css or dark mode extensions, but I like how this is going.
Rotideypoc41352
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Looks very much like the existing Wikipedia on desktop. The logo is much smaller (for screen real estate reasons, I presume?)—nice. Sidebar menu button to collapse sidebar—also nice.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yup, the language drop down in the upper right. I'm used to the alphabetically ordered language list; I think it's a nice separation between Wikidata (adding interlanguage links versus the links themselves). I'm interested in why not the upper left, as that's where mobile has it now. On the Wikidata note: I don't know if people will understand to add interlanguage links by clicking Wikidata? I'm also unsure how big of a concern that is.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The nigh universal sidebar menu icon in the upper left. I wish the article expanded to fill up the screen, though—what else would I be collapsing the sidebar for?
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the "Log out" link in the top corner. What do you notice that's different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
No "More v" dropdown menu, as logged out members can't move pages anyhow. No add to watchlist star. Autocollapses side menu. Eh, seems okay.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Looks about the same as the current Wikipedia reading experience.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Minor changes. Seems fine. Notice it's not responsively designed at the moment, though. Wondering what users would think if the sidebar were sticked (i.e. I scroll down on the article, but the sidebar doesn't disappear). I think a screenreader user ought to take a look.
katpatuka
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
some features of smartphone skin applied
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Last used or mostly used languages could come first (in a separate section ? new preference setting ?)
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
smartphone users know the how to ;)
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
main sidebar menu collapsed
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
No big difference
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
nothing special for now
The Editor's Apprentice
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Having the main sidebar menu come up so far up on the screen surprises me at first. The way much more space is taken up by links related to my account (Talk, Preferences, etc.) is somewhat annoying to me because I am used to the tight look of both the account related links and the page related links (History, Edit, etc.). The spaciousness, as well as the way the icon for Wikipedia is align in terms of height with the user related links, makes the page feel less like a desktop site and more of a mobile one. Also, making the site icon smaller makes it less likely to become recognizable to users over time as well as harder to use the site icon for announcements/celebrations. The fact that the "Good Article" badge, and similar, is under the title header and all the way to the right makes it look like its part of the article body and information which is something that is somewhat confusing to me. It also worries me because some pages have many badges and so the amount of space taken up by them may interrupt readability. I am assuming that its a glitch that will be fixed that when clicking some article links, viewing begins at the bottom of the page.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It is very clear to me as to how to go about changing the language I am reading an article in. When clicking on the button to the right of the article title the generated list makes sense. Overall, I love the UI! Some nitpicks, though. The fact that some languages are listed starting with a lowercase letter, such as "español" is a little confusing for me to see as someone who's native language is English. I do acknowledge that there is a reason for this since not all languages have the same capitalization standards. Also, some languages are listed as "Worldwide", I would argue that they would be more precisely described as "International".
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can figure out how to collapse the main sidebar menu by clicking on the triple line icon in the top left corner. The quick disappearance of the main sidebar menu in the beta seems sudden. As I would guess is being considered, some sort of animation would probably make it nicer. The fact that it collapses horizontally while the triple line icon is above it is a counter-intuitive. I would expect it collapse upwards given that the triple line icon is above the menu.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I immediately notice that the main sidebar menu collapses itself. Besides that and the usual changes in the listed user related links I don't notice anything. Do I think its a fine UI change? Absolutely. Do I also worry about its movement implications? Yeah. I already know most people unconsciously block out and ignore the main sidebar, so its not that big of a change in that sense, and it does benefit those readers by providing them more space for article content, but the pessimistic and intrinsically-scared-about-the-death-of-Wikimedia part of me worries that hiding the way work is done even more makes people more ignorant that they have the capacity to contribute to the site and the greater good it can provide as well as hide the inner workings of the site which users may be interested in. I don't know if the average person would know to click on the triple line icon in order to reveal the main sidebar menu.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Looks great! I honestly don't notice that much of difference and the extra space that collapsing the main sidebar menu is nice for comfortable reading.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I don't really have any more thoughts or ideas about the UI. I will say thanks for the hard work to everyone involved, particularly you Jan drewniak 85 :).
AllyD
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Very poor change. Firstly, the bold box at top right detracts from clean reading of the current page itself (and I say this as someone who does frequently read between languages). Secondly, at the moment I can select another language from the sidebar visually and then be at that article with one click, whereas the "improved" experience involves clicking the new pulldown, then scrolling down a poorly structured list of languages to find the one I want. Has any even looked at this before throwing it out for comment? Have a look at the spread in relative positions of Gaeilge, Gaelg and Gàidhlig for example, or the placement of the Latin script European languages (the predominant form for that area) beneath non-Latin languages. Wading through puddles is never the most sprightly way to do something. "If it ain't broke..."
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Valueless experience. The always-on hamburger is also visually detracting.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The categories appear to have been disappeared from the bottom of the article? They are crucial to browsing.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
The Editing experience is omitted from this prototype as of course are tabs managed via Twinkle etc. It would be crucial to test-drive the overall screen experience that editors can expect before proceeding with this.
Jan
The button to expand/contract the sidebar could look like a » when closed and a « when open. Maybe the expand/contract button could be hidden entirely if the screen is large enough. The logo could be placed in the sidebar when it's open, and only use the small logo when it's closed. The new language switcher lacks the edit links link. Perhaps it could replace the currently nonfunctional cog icon. It seems pretty weird to hide the sidebar by default while not being logged in, I think it might confuse people to hide navigation like that by default. Also, it might be easier to read if the body copy was serif.
Acamicamacaraca
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
First off, I like the highlighted language switch option, but I think it would be more useful to have the table of contents there. Just look at this gif. Then, I don't like the reduced Wikipedia logo at all, especially that it doesn't show when scrolling. This looks much better. The idea of hiding the sidebar makes sense but leaves plenty of unbalanced space. Maybe increasing the font or width of the text will solve that problem?
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Faster and better, but I still believe that the table of contents would be more appropriate for this place.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It's good, I like it. It would also be great if you added the option to collapse sections within the sidebar.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I did not understand why the sidebar is collapsed for logged-out but shown for logged-in users by default.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It looks good, but it can certainly be better.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I just saw that the categories were hidden. A very bad move in my opinion. Congratulations on the engagement of everyone involved in this. The desktop version of the site has not been updated for a long time, but care should be taken to get everything done :). Best regards! --Acamicamacaraca (talk) 10:06, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Coldbolt
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
For large desktops (mine is 27 inch) it is just a pain in the ass when you hide the sidebar and the screen becomes 1/3. I would like to hide the sidebar, not minimalize the screen by 2/3. Furthermore everything about the design is fine. Coldbolt (talk) 10:15, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
anon
"Improved" language selector = dumbest idea ever. Ugly, distracting, cumbersome, useless, used to be one click, now two+scroll, don't do it. (The rest seems OK). 184.101.88.11010:19, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Carn
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I want to see more information then "We're sorry but the Wikipedia desktop improvements prototypes don't work properly without JavaScript enabled. Please enable it to continue." A static site does not need js to display, and it’s better to display at least something, albeit not embellished with a script, than such an inscription. In addition, the site is not displayed in the "instant view" mode in chats/facebook
Also, before being displayed in a normal way, first the entire text of the page along with the menu flashes a narrow table on the left side of the screen.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Disgusting and terrible, instead of immediately showing me the languages that I use in a familiar place, you have screwed up a miserable language switch from a terrible mobile version, from which I puke further than I see.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The same thing, why remove the menu to make the page narrower? WHAT FOR? Once again, I am convinced that the fund is engaged in complete garbage.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Without any confirmation immediately log out? I'm running out of patience.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
When you click on a broken link and return back to the empty page instead of a page. Someone is too clever with "improvements."
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Instead of crossbreeding a hedgehog with a snake (now the mobile version is intended only for readers, it’s even difficult to go to the discussion page from there), it would be more logical to bring the desktop (normal) version to normal view when viewed from the phone. Resolution allows, but there is a complete disagreement of fonts - some become smaller, some do not.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The language bar at the top is immediately apparent, as well as the minimised Wikipedia logo + text which might be a tad too small, especially for sight-impaired individuals
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The language-switching window is immediately obvious, although the way the languages are ordered is not very comfortable. The grouping of languages into families might be a good idea or not, I personally strongly prefer the alphabetical order, it is much easier to scroll and find exactly where your preferred language is. Furthermore, the alphabetical order here has some issues, íslenska and čeština are at the very end of the list which made it really difficult for me to find, those should be at I and C, respectively, as they are in the current language listing on the left-hand side. Two different approaches to alphabetical listing of languages is not ideal. Perhaps a single-column list with Latinised name of the language first?
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I didn't notice it at first, but that's because I'm not used to looking for it, probably. It's very easy to do otherwise, but perhaps a pop-up window "try this new feature" could help a lot?
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The default collapse of the side-bar is very nice.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The reading experience in the reading mode is very pleasant, the wide space at each side is especially nice, the text and the white background seem to have a strong bond, evocative of paper-based reading.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
How about a button to collapse the side-bar continuously present on the left (or invisible but will pop up if hovered over with cursor)? Same with language change. If you scroll too far down, you have to get back up to get either of these functions.
Berek
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I think the drop-down menu is good, but only because I recognise "languages" in English - if it was already in another language, I might not recognise that was where I should change language - i'm trying to think of the point of view of a new user here. I don't know if the logo is expressive enough, would showing three sample languages make it clearer, eg "Francais/(Arabic script)/(Chinese script)
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Collapsed sidebar without problems. Seems good, functional
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Seems good: Edit functions again in section headings, still showing view source, not edit source/page, Missing sidebar, would new users know that so much functionality was hidden if they wanted to find out more about wiki?
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Might be easier to read without distractions of sidebar
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
n/a
Fano
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I use Monobook. I can't see/switch to it. Where is it?
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes. But what’s the point in moving the button? Like moving the search field some years back its just a visual thing with neither improves or disimproves functionality.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, could figure out. But not sure if this is intended behavior that the display gets smaller when I remove the sidebar. That’s either a bug (I hope) or would be totally stupid.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Why the hell would I want a different experience/design when I'm logged out????
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
No improvement. In fact, if the narrowing of the displayed text is not a bug (which I still hope) it would be an clear worsening of experience.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
A change of design should have an goal and an clear improvement. Right now I see neither. (Oh great, and you STILL didn't bring the signature button back.)Fano (talk)
BEANS X2
Something like this?The Desktop Improvements Prototype but with a mobile
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The languages thing is nice, however, I don't like the repositioning of the topicons to below the title. I say put them back, to the left of the languages dropdown.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yeah. It seems like the icon would open another menu tho, instead of collapsing the one on the right. The new Wikipedia logo looks nice. However, with the sidebar hidden, the bar at the top looks ugly. Maybe have the top bar stretch to the whole of the browser window? Or have it put the user into a kind of 'focus mode' and do something with the sidebar, I'm not sure what.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
See above. It would be neat if the sidebar-hidden version looked better, to focus on reading the article.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The same-ish. I think we need to re-add the blue line down the side of the article content when the sidebar is hidden.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I looked at it from a mobile perspective, as many users will use desktop view on a mobile, but the viewport seems to be messed up, as the Wikipedia only covers a bit of the screen, which looks ugly. User:Cxbrx seems to be having a similar problem with Firefox on MacOS. I used the device toolbar included in Google Chrome's DevTools to simulate mobile traffic. Also, as User:Kamil Kielczewski said, the loading screen looks a mess. On slow connections (again simulated with devtools), it stays that way, even once the page has loaded. Maybe load in the framework in first, then the article content? It seems like the CSS is kicking in late.
PS: You know what would be mega? A dark mode.
Ntsimp
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
My initial impression was that only two things had been changed. I see how you moved the language links (probably not a good idea to take everyone's vertical space for the sake of what I imagine to be rarely-used functionality, moving from one language Wikipedia to another). The other blatant thing to me was the missing lead-section edit link, but now I realize that's a gadget I have enabled. So it's obviously not a radical change.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I thought it was obvious, but finding the desired language was slower than in the flat list.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I found it eventually, but it's not intuitive. The UI standard is that a "hamburger" icon is for preferences, right? Also, the only reason I can think of that someone would want to collapse it would be to use more horizontal space for the article, but it actually uses less. So what's the point?
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I don't log out.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It looks like you increased the font size, which I don't like. That makes it take longer to read.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I see no improvement here.
Jerodlycett
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Initially it looks much the same, with a smaller version of the logo.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It's super easy to find, since it's taking up space that use to belong to the padlock and star that are now shown as part of the article.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I went to click the menu icon to see what it did and it collapsed the menu that was there, and shrunk the page. It was not intuitive that it would do that.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
It starts with the menu showing people how to find more resources and the site's navigation hidden, and the page shrunk.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
In the normal mode it's only slightly worse, with the language bar moving non-content into content. When it's in hidden mode it seriously crunches the text, reducing the reading space by about 50% making it much harder to read or follow along.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Even if the problems above were fixed the major difference would be that you're requiring an extra click from disabled people to access a menu if they're not logged in or if they wish to access a language other than the one currently displayed. This goes against accessibility. There is not a single thing that is beneficial about this. If people want to use javascript to change things like this, let them, maybe work on making those more available to the users instead. Personally I'd like a nice native dark mode theme.
Tenbergen
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It looks like wikipedia. Possibly slightly nicer rendered.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Had to find it because it moved, but if it had always been done like this it would have been intuitive.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Well, kind of, if I understand you right. If I click the sandwich button on the top then the left sidebar goes away, but the main also becomes much narrower and now only fills about half of my wide screen monitor. I prefer a wikipedia that makes sensible use of the available space, so many "modern" web sites don't.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I now have two big wide bands of empty on the side of the screen. It looks a little like the "sidebar collapsed" version. I don't like it. Let me manage how wide it's displayed; if the lines get too long for me I can change the window size.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Switching back and forth between window sizes, and zooming in and out, now has much more lag. Maybe because it's only a prototype.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I like the automatic content menu at the top of the page. Both in the current and proposed version, it has whitespace to the right of it. I think it would work better if text flowed around it.
Thanks to you all for working on this!
Cxbrx
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I'm not so sure that I like the logo being smaller, but I suppose I could get used to it.
The new version has a minor bug under MacOS with Firefox where when I scroll horizontally, there is excess blank space on the right. This does not happen with the main site.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It was very easy to switch languages and then to switch back. I like the prominence of the other languages choice, though I probably won't use it.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
When I first opened the page, I was curious about the purpose of the lines adjacent to the logo.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I really don't like the idea of non-logged in users not having the menu visible by default. For example, the Random page link is a great way to expose more of Wikipedia to new readers.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I don't see many differences between the old and the new.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Good job! Thanks for asking for feedback.
6equj5 2444
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It's much the same but less visually pleasing
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
no
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
yes
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
it's much the same
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
it is easy as ever to just read an article I just don't think it's as visually pleasing
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
it seems as the purpose is for visual improvement in which case I disagree
paul2520
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The hamburger menu seems to detract from the Wikipedia logo, which is smaller than I'm used to. I expect to see settings in the hamburger menu, but really like how minimalist the page looks when I toggle it.
It would be great if logged-in users could toggle the default in their settings.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes! I am used to the sidebar, BUT this is more prominent and I could definitely get used to it.
It would be great if logged-in users could toggle seeing this or not, or perhaps toggle the "old" view? But I don't feel strongly about seeing the previous view; this is quite nice. Flags by language would add some color :-)
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I figured this out quickly; see the comments on question #1.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
It looks great! Simple view is good; I think the sidebar might encourage some anonymous site users to create an account. But I think in general, the simpler, minimalist view will be pleasing.
I've always liked how the logged-out view has less options in the top bar. Conversely, I like how I, as an editor, can customize to some degree, and have more useful links.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The new layout does seem more article-centric. The current page is, too... but less responsive.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I think it looks like a great change, and when/if rolled-out, would be great for press and showing folks how the overall experience of Wikipedia, not just the content, is ever-evolving.
Keep up the good work!
Thx113838
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I like the simple way to switch between different wiki projects in the side bar, although I feel that should not displace the languages section
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Moving the languages section over to the top might make it easier for new users to find it.
However, browsing languages is more tedious than before because now the default languages (meaning the most recent used languages or most prevalent languages) are missing to quickly check in other versions. At least English should be always available as a quick option. Finding the desired language was slower than in the flat list and the non alphabetical ordering is horrible. As someone who frequently reads the same article in different languages I strongly disagree with the decision to move the languages tab over to the top and force users to scroll through that unordered list.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It is a good idea, although I would have never found out had I not specifically been asked to use it. This could be moved further down, as currently it looks like being related to the wikipedia symbol, thus leading to something like the "about" page.
Aslo the horizontal hamburger is confusing, as the menu collapses to the side.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Does not feel very different
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
The change in how languages are displayed should be either reverted, or seriously improved. Currently the new version makes the experience significantly worse.
A table of contents that follows while scrolling would be extremely helpful. As it is at the moment, one has to always scroll up to find a specific section quickly, which make it much harder to brows only specific sections.
Improved or built in darkmode support would be helpful.
I do not think that it is good for new users to be completely shut out from seeing all the ways to interact with wikipedia more profoundly. This should not be thedefault option.
Kokodyl
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Very small and poorly readable wikipedia logo. It's much better now. Instead, the most visible is the icon with three stripes (does that mean it's the most important on the page?)
Will there be only a visual editor without the ability to edit the source code? (it's not clear to me)
There are no categories?
I prefer the current version, not the new one.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can change the language, but I don't like it at all. In my opinion, it was best a long time ago, when ALL languages were displayed in one column - you could quickly find the right one. As it is today, it is burdensome for me, and this new proposal is much much worse. Besides: why change the language right at the top? - it does not look good.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can, but I don't like the button at the top.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
After logging out, the sidebar disappeared and the text centered - what's the point? I prefer to have the sidebar visible and not have to look for it - and the awful buttons at the top ...
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
When logging in, I don't see any significant differences for reading, while after logging out the text is centered - I do not like this!
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
The current version looks and works well. Before you change anything, you need to think very carefully about whether it will actually be better.
This proposed very small wiki logo does not look good.
The proposed way of changing languages is very bad for me. I would like to go back to what it used to be, not a new, worse version.
I do not like the sidebar rollup icon at the very top (in one of the most visible places).
The view after logging out centralizes unnecessarily.
I get the impression that changes are made for smartphones, and yet quite a lot of people use desktops and laptops (are they a worse category of users?)
Will there be a source code editor available? I hate the visual editor (it may be comfortable, but not for me and I can't do many things in it that I can do in the code editor).
Nk
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The well known unpleasant Vector design. Small logo, unnecessary menu icon, missing interwiki links, hard to find edit link, strange choice of main menu content.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It did take me some time. This is a feature I use all the time - replacing the sidebar links with a badly sorted menu is a big inconvenience.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Hard to imagine wanting to do that. Otherwise it was easy to figure it out - the first thing I noted was the menu icon on the place of the logo.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Hidden menu but why? Half of the menu items are intended for inactive users.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
No difference.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Looks to me as yet another project wasting resources for nothing.
Sokuya
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Well, it dosn't give me a desktop feeling. It looks too similar to a mobile web page, the hamburger icon is very associate with mobile apps and not desktop. I don't like the shrinking of the Wikipedia logo because you can't longer recognize the different languages and lettering on the globe. It's too small. I like that you still leave an option to use the sidebar if I want to. But I think you can bring the Wikipedia icon to its current size. What will happen to celebration Wikipedia icons? No one will notice them anymore.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I try to switch the language. Personally I love to see all the different languages at one glance spread out on the the sidebar. In the new prototype you only see what you search for so you don't really see the impact of variety. Also I saw Yiddish appearing twice, one in Europe section and second in Middle East section. But Ladino only appearing in Europe section, you should add it to Middle East section as well.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, I can figure out how to do so, the hamburger icon is very recognize by now. But I don't want the sidebar to be hidden.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I didn't notice any difference.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
When I collapses the sidebar I noticing the white empty spaces on the side. There is no real difference in the reading experience.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I'm appreciate your effort to make update to Wikipedia UI, but I think it should be remain around a desktop vibe when you can see everything in one glance. I hate the change that Twitter make to its desktop site, they make it look and feel like mobile. Please make sure that you give the desktop site a desktop look, where everything is put on display, minimum drop menus clicks or hiding links and etc. It's a desktop site, people are using it with big screens, mouses and keyboards, so there is no screen real estate is sues.
Taivorist
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? I do not like table of contents! I want to hide it, but I can't! There's no link to hide contents table like in old version! And where's the categories? I like categories and you hide them, I cannot find categories! Old version leads 2:0.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience? Simple, but time-consuming. It needs a click plus rolling with mouse plus one more click. Old version needed only one click to change a language. Old verson leads 3:0.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience? I could not figure it out. I made right and left clicks and doubleclicks on the sidebar, but nothing happened. There's also no link "hide sidebar". Actually I do not want to hide sidebar. Score is still 3:0.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think? Now I understand. The sidebar is gone. I do not want to log out for hiding sidebar. Old version leads 4:0.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia? That's the same, I did not notice a difference. Old version leads 4.5:0.5.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions. The idea, that for hiding sidebar you must log out, is extremely stupid. I could not believe, that this is possible. This is like a bad dream. I did not find anything in new version, which is better than old version.
Anon
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Didn't understand the icons
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, not a function I ever use though.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, not a function I ever use though.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I seldom log out
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
No difference that I could see
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
These changes seem so minor, that why even bother?
Willbb234
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I do like that everything seems more spaced out, for example, the links at the top of the page are not squished up at the top and it seems clear, but I suppose the current layout is already clear and not confusing. I like the way the layout feels, but I don't feel it helps greatly with convenience .
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Great change. Easy to find the bar and clearly indicates that there are other language versions available with the two little symbols. Very different to the old version. However, I would say it takes a prominent area on the article, perhaps too prominent? eg. it could be made a little smaller or moved.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I have figured out how to do so, but it is unclear and hard to see.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I don't like it. It feels too cramped (is something supposed to be loading in the white spaces on the sides?) I also think the left sidebar can be useful for logged out users (readers) who may want to learn more about Wikimedia projects; this is an important way to gain new contributors.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It's better as there is less clutter, and less of the 'editor stuff' and links. If you want to come to read, then it seems nice.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I generally feel positive about this prototype, although the lack of left sidebar for logged out users/readers concerns me. I don't understand why the 'Talk' has been changed to 'Discussion'; talk works perfectly as it is short and sums up the page, whilst also giving a command (if you want to talk, press here), however, 'Discussion' doesn't give this command and feels more 'clunky'.
One further point I have to make is that the Wikipedia logo and name is smaller. We need to keep Wikipedia as a household name, not something squished in the corner. And why is the tab now blue and black? This is not the colours of Wikipedia and I suggest it be black and white/ just white.
Thejackos
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Looks very similar to the current. The side bar looks cleaner though. It's a pity the table of contents is so long, it breaks up the reading - perhaps it could be in columns on a large display.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Seemed fine. But I am mono-lingual, so not super relevant to me on the English language site.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Didn't realize I could, but easy enough to find once I looked. The main text was even narrower with the sidebar collapsed, which seemed a bit odd. But, having seen that, it might be nice if there was a way to directly control the column width without resizing the browser window, because super-wide columns are harder to read.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The sidebar seems to be by default closed for the logged out experience. It does seem cleaner that way, I think I like that the logged out version assumes the reader is more focused on just this article, while the logged in experience is more site-centric.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It feels cleaner and more approachable.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Nice job making it feel more friendly!
Evilninja
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I had to switch between the prototype and Moon to see the differences. The language bar is now on top. But all in all I did not see any differences or difficulties.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, was able to figure this out. Same experience as before.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, was able to figure this out. Don't know when I'd need this though.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Didn't notice anything different.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Same as before.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I hope this re-design doesn't cost too much money. WP is already usable and visually appealing to me, I don't see what this prototype would accomplish.
Dominic305
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It seems to be a little messed up on my iPad (links in wrong locations, missing text, etc.). I like the new feature where the sidebar can be collapsed.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The language selector is very easy to find and use.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Collapsing the sidebar is easy, and I was able to figure this out quickly.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Reading is about the same, but collapsing the sidebar makes it better
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
More testing and bug fixes for mobile would be nice.
TaronjaSatsuma
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It looks pretty the same.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes. It gives more visibility to other languages, which is ok.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, but it's not important to me.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience?
There is any difference with being logged but with the main sidebar collapsed?
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It looks pretty the same.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Is not bad, but I expected more changes.
Denny
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Thank you for the effort and a much needed stab at refreshing the Wikipedia site. The first impression is that the logo in the top left looks off. Together with the tagline it doesn't align with anything, and the globe does look unnecessarily small, as the space that it used to take does not seem used well. The second impression after the logo was that it looks as cluttered as before.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I didn't find it at first, as it wasn't in the place where it used to be (on the left sidebar), it is not in the place where my universal language selector was (on the top), it is not in the place where it is on mobile (under the title of the page), but we add a new area that was not actionable before (in the whitespace right to the title). I found the page cluttered as it is, this unfortunately adds to that feeling.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I eventually clicked on the hamburger menu which hid the sidebar. Which is counterintuitive. Why would I want to hide the sidebar? I would have appreciated it more if it was first hidden, and I need to click on the hamburger to show it (and I would expect a floating element, not one that pushes stuff around). Also, I would collapse even more of the clutter into the hamburger menu.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
It seems that the sidebar is now hidden by default. Thanks! There's still tons of stuff on the top and the bottom that clutters the experience.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I didn't notice a significant difference. In fact, I find the mobile view on desktop to continue to be a superior reading experience.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I know I was complaining a lot, but I really think that a redesign is in order and I am very grateful for this test! I find the current proposal pointing into a good direction, but not bold enough. I am confused by the change to the logo size, as it doesn't seem to play well with the rest of the page. Thank you for this test, and keep on working on it. Be more bold!
Daniel Case
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Not too much difference from the existing interface
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It was easy.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes. It's now the same as a lot of other websites.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I notice the absence of the sidebar menu. I get the idea behind that.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I think giving a reader the choice to hide the sidebar is a good thing that will improve the reading experience.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
feels less crowded and has a nicer feel to it
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
much easier
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
hamburger menus are overused imo
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
less cluttered and easier to find what you need
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
much less cluttered, much better
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
L293D
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I don't like the Wikipedia logo at the top left being smaller. I don't like the big "226 Languages" label, because I think most readers here only fluently read one language, and it's a distraction. 3/10
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Obviously its much easier, which it pretty much the entire point of putting a huge distracting sign at the top right. 8/10
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Feels really weird, to click an icon that usually means "settings", or something like that. 5/10
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I couldn't find any differences. 5/10
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
not any better. 3/10
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Another crappy WMF invention that doesn't bring anything different than a smaller Wikipedia logo, a huge distracting Languages sign, and a silly "settings"-like button, that doesn't really do much, except for taking half the space that the WP logo would occupy. WMF being the WMF. L293D (talk) 02:23, 6 February 2020 (UTC)2/10[reply]
Markworthen
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I like all the nice photographs and other images. Otherwise, I did not notice anything different. (And the photos might not be different—it's just something I noticed.)
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes. The "worldwide" category was confusing. A hyperlinked menu to the continents might be better.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I would not have known the option existed. A "hamburger" image usually means a menu on mobile devices (at least in the U.S.). I like the uncluttered look with both the left and right menus hidden. (Fyi - "main sidebar menu" is an imprecise term.)
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
As above, it looks nice. But I rarely (if ever) logout so I would not have noticed.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Hiding the left and right sidebar menus is nice, although it's not obvious that the option exists (as noted in my comment above).
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Not that different from the layout we use currently, I can accept this. The categories, though, I don't really agree with the category removals, it makes the categories rendered more "useless" and eventually, less given attention by editors, especially in smaller wikis.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I would not really mind of the "language button" (as what I would like to call it). But I don't like the language selection. It's very confusing for someone to pick a language, and the categorisation of languages can be, if mistakes happen, quite violating. People may get confused and "triggered" on why Russian is also categorized as a Middle Eastern language (who knows). It is far better if the languages are listed alphabetically like on our current layout or just proceed to the current layout system.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The same system is used in quite a lot of websites, so people may find it easy to do it. I would not mind.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I do not think it is necessary at all to change layouts every time people log out and log in from Wikipedia, it's redundant.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Experiences are similar, so I would not mind as well.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Overall, I can accept this layout, but to be honest, I don't really care. By the way, I think you should put the language selection on the top of the article for the mobile version (and the app as well) because, well, few people rather to scroll down to the bottom of the article. Thanks for reading! 02:27, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Anon
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
(your feedback here)
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes but I don't like it. Us readers don't want to continuously change languages. I don't understand why is that so prominent and in the main page. If I want to switch language, I will know to go in the sidebar and do that once, having that button in the main page is annoying.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It looks really ugly. You would expect to get more of the content showing in your screen when you collapse the sidebar, yet the page narrows down a lot.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I don't know why is this is considered an 'improvement'. It's just not a log out redirect anymore.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It is worse. Remove the translate button and make collapsing the sidebar actually show more of the page content not less.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Provide a dark theme button switch for different themes of Wikipedia. Do something about the TOCs taking so much space vertically.
MaxEnt
Portrait of a wikiwonk screen addict obsessed with textual emaciation
My desktop configuration is unusual. I have a landscape monitor on the left, a 23" portrait monitor in the center, and another 23" portrait monitor on the right. The landscape monitor is my overflow monitor, where I usually watch video, or use things like Google Maps which are designed in such a way as to make portrait mode unusable (the mandatory sidebar when you enable navigation takes up half the width of an already narrow screen). On my center screen usually lives my own personal wiki. The screen on the right is my reference screen, where Wikipedia finds itself a hundred times a day.
If I need to look at two documents side by side (both in portrait), I'll open the second document in the center screen, and move my active editing context to the landscape screen. I only rarely have windows open that aren't full-screen to an entire display, and these are usually dialog boxes for some desktop customization, or Firefox debugging consoles, where I'm suffering for real estate and I don't want to cover too much up. Most of my fonts are large, so I can comfortable read from several feet away. This improves my posture, and makes it so I don't have to crane as much from side to side to cope with my unusually wide desktop (about 42" total).
My avocation lately is researching discourse, in its many manifestations, and so I find myself consuming vast amounts of text and video, madly making my own notes all the while. My wife thinks I'm verging on duplicating the whole of the Internet inside my own personal wiki. There are days I almost agree with her.
My own wiki is skinning in the modern style. But long ago I forced Wikipedia to display in some very ancient skin (a tiny little search box in the sidebar) and I left it there since. I find it useful to keep my own wiki and Wikipedia visually distinct, and this accomplished that goal. Also, my own wiki never changes format unless I choose to change it (I'm now years behind in upgrading it, but it basically has no misfeatures I can't live with, and it never crashes, so my urge to modernize is next to nil). I also enjoy my Wikipedia experience being equally locked down. I'm used to it this way. My own wiki presently has 21,000 pages which mirror Wikipedia pages (but cut down to exactly my own taste, with all kinds of extra personal links and annotations). Originally I did this to create a solid map under my own page structure so I did get lost and begin creating duplicate pages willy-nilly (that is the most annoying thing in the universe). But then I realized that I vastly preferred my micro-leads without the seven Arabic translations and six topic synonyms interposed between subject and verb in the lead sentence in a parenthetical that spans three or four entire lines.
The Moon is an astronomical body ...
Nice.
The Circassians (Russian: Черкесы, Čerkesy; Turkish: Çerkesler), also known by their endonym Adyghe (Circassian: Адыгэхэр, Adygekher; Russian: Адыги, Adygi; Turkish: Adığeler), are a Northwest Caucasian ethnic group native to Circassia, ...
Not nice.
Ibn Sina (Persian: ابن سینا), also known as Abu Ali Sina (ابوعلی سینا), Pur Sina (پورسینا), and often known in the west as Avicenna (/ˌævɪˈsɛnə, ˌɑːvɪ-/; c. 980 – June 1037) was a Persian polymath ...
Not nice. There are far worse, but I was able to find those two quickly.
I don't mind all those barnacles of pedantic completism when I first encounter the article. But I mind it almost every time I subsequently return. In my bare leads in my shadow wiki, I create a "Name" section under the lead for synonyms etymology and translations. I've trained myself never to read that section again by accident. And then, if necessary, I create a "Puff" section for titles, honours, awards, and market share statistics. This I also rarely ever read again. Worst puff of all:
Sheldon Cooper is the Angela Anaïs Juana Antolina Rosa Edelmira Nin y Culmell and Hugh Parker Guiler endowed chair and University Professor of the John Templeton Foundation's School of Philanthropic Woo, South Beach Campus and Principle Investigator of ...
As a reference work that's fine. As a re-reference work, it's beyond horrible. In my view, we're actively discouraging casual users to make a repeat visit to a previously encountered article. They were motivated to wade through the weeds the first time because they were in state of total ignorance. But then when they're in a state of only partial ignorance, how much patience do they really have for a subject line with fifty words interjected between subject and verb, and then another twenty words between verb and plain-language? I know I dread a repeat revisit and I'm not what you would call a casual user.
Only about 1/3 of the pages I visit on Wikipedia warrant a hasty shadow copy in my own wiki (which I can now perform with barely more than my brainstem and a bunch of custom hotkey accelerators). Absolute minimum, I've visited 60,000 different Wikipedia pages. Probably closer to 100,000.
The other thing I did on my old Firefox with all the great extensions was add some User CSS to my wiki pages which put width limits on really long lines of text. The standard for readability in publishing has long been 2.5 lower case alphabets for your longest line length. The eye needs to rapidly return to the beginning of the next line (and sometimes in active reading, you make numerous saccades to previously encountered words). Visually you can't do this efficiently with these ridiculous line lengths motivated by prevailing gestalt aesthetic design sensibilities at the level of the total canvas. I just moved the "Moon" artcle to my wide monitor, clicked the hamburger to eliminate the sidebar, had the text jump into centered mode, and then copied a long line of text into my console: 147 characters long. Another fat line: 146 characters long. That's a shade over 5.5 times the length of the lower case alphabet, just on character count alone.
I go back to wide mode on the same screen, using regular Wikipedia (slightly peculiar for me) and I immediately find a long line with 181 characters of text. This is at 170% text magnification level. I can read it leaning back in my chair with my feet on the desk (metaphorically).
In hamburger thin mode, why don't you flow the right-justified images halfway out into that vast whitespace margin on the right hand side? When I use my standard font zoom, the long lines of text in this mode remain constant at over 140 characters. I would never voluntarily read at this text width. The parts of the Moon article most enjoyable to read are where the text has to snake between images on both the left and the right.
Fortunately, many leads in Wikipedia have a giant infobox on the right, so at least most leads are less egregiously wide. And the leads probably count for 80% of the reading time on 80% of pages encountered (the other 20% of pages encountered might devolve into long reads, and could account for a far larger percentage of total engagement, which I can't estimate for the average person).
I switch to a foreign language mode for less than one page in one thousand. (I have rudimentary French, and can usually quickly figure out whether it's got enough of the missing information I'm seeking to bother with Google translate.) For my other 200,000 page views, I won't be clicking that control. It's probably better in the new location for casual users.
But for myself, I vastly prefer the languages as a drop-down control at the bottom of the left-hand wiki-cruft sidebar. Mostly out of sight, not quite entirely out of mind. Almost as prominent as the page title? That can't possibly be right for a die-hard mostly monolingual user.
Well, this change won't affect me much, because I'll probably leave my Wikipedia skin locked in 2008 mode.
But boy, if Wikipedia had a simple way to make all the parenthetical spam and tediously vain endowed chairs and alphabet honorifics and pedantic specificities dematerialize from the first sentence of the lead paragraph—until I had any use for all that extra noise (most likely once and only once)—I'd be all over the new design.
William Thomson, 1st Baron Kelvin, OM, GCVO, PC, PRS, FRSE (26 June 1824 – 17 December 1907) was an Irish-Scottish (of Ulster Scots heritage) mathematical physicist and engineer ...
As condensed in my own wiki five years ago:
William Thomson (1824–1907) was an Irish and British mathematical physicist and engineer who was born in Belfast.
Don't you also like that a lot better? Even if it's outdated text and only 99% true and only 90% complete?
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
This looks cleaner than the current layout. I like the menu button at the top and the logo relocation and resizing. The language button is super convenient.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The new language menu was actually one of the first things I noticed, and I loved it as soon as I saw it. No more having to go to a specific language wiki to look for an article.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I'm a big fan of the collapsible sidebar. It really cleans up the look while maintaining accessibility. I think utilizing the common menu icon is easy to understand and a good idea. The only other way I think it could be easily identified by most would be an "arrow" icon that rotates depending on whether the menu is out or not.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The sidebar appears to default off when not logged in, and on when logged in. I assume this is for visual appeal to the average user and ease of access to the registered user who tends to frequent the sidebar. Obviously there is less clutter at the top when logged out because there are fewer options for non-registered users. Overall, I think the distinction between the two is as it should be.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Honestly, I didn't notice much of a difference from current until I hovered over links. There is no pop-up mini article to quickly explain the link I hovered over. I like those pop-ups, they make reading much more enjoyable and I don't have to go down a rabbit hole of Wikipedia links when I'm just trying to quickly read an article.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
One thing I noticed while checking out the prototype was the lack of scaling on the following element:
<img alt="" src="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Earth-moon-to-scale.svg/1650px-Earth-moon-to-scale.svg.png" decoding="async" width="1100" height="56" srcset="//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Earth-moon-to-scale.svg/2475px-Earth-moon-to-scale.svg.png 1.5x, //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Earth-moon-to-scale.svg/3300px-Earth-moon-to-scale.svg.png 2x" data-file-width="3200" data-file-height="160"/>
This element scales fine on the old article though.
Diriector_Doc
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I like the idea of a collapsible sidebar. The transition, I'll be it a tad slow, it's very seamless and causes no displacement issues.
I noticed the Favicon. I'm not sure if that's just the Favicon for people.wikimedia.org or if Wikipedia will be getting a new one.
I have not noticed any visual bugs so far.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
This can be done easily. There is an obvious drop-down menu in the top right stating that the article is available in 227 languages.
I like how this menu is out of the way and it clears up some space on the left.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
This was quite easy. It uses the same icon as many other websites. New visitors should have no problem figuring it out.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
As a regular on Bulbapedia, I am familiar with this hidden sidebar for people who aren't signed in. I'm sure this will be useful for "passer-bys" if you can call them that.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
To be completely honest, I see no difference in layout. It looks and feels that same. Now that I'm typing this, I have a feeling that's exactly what you were going for; a sort of "if it ain't broke" kind of thing.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I'm very curious how this overhaul will affect skins. I, personally, use the MonoBook skin, and I hope that it will remain available after this change is implemented.
Prosnipzzz
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I noticed that the Wikipedia logo is smaller and that there is a collapsible language button
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I like that you can search for your language without having to scroll to look for your language
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, but it feels like a mobile Wikipedia page. I like the idea of a collapsible sidebar menu but I rather have the article take up the entire screen space with no wasted side space.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
It just collapse the side menu. Again, I am not a fan of a mobile feel.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The layout feels the same as the current Wikipedia experience, which is good.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Please make it where it doesn't feel like a mobile page once you collapse the sidebar. There shouldn't be any side space.
SuperHamster
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
My initial impression to notice the size reduction of the logo and the removal of the background gradient. I like the change - makes things simpler.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, I click on the "226 Languages" dropdown at the upper-right. Took a few seconds to figure out since I'm used to it being at the bottom of the sidebar on the left. I'm not opposed to the change, but I'm not sure how much I like how prominent it is - I imagine most readers like myself are only interested in one language, so the language dropdown is useless the majority of the time, yet prominently displayed. But even so, even if I'm not interested in other languages, I think it's good to raise awareness of how many languages we serve.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Easy - I click the hamburger icon at the upper-left, which I recognize due to it being common across many websites and mobile apps I use. Clicking it however, the experience was confusing. Usually hamburger icons result in closing the sidebar and either leaving the rest of the page's content as-is, or expanding the page content to fill the entirety of the screen. Instead, all the page content was made narrower - which is fine, but not what I expected from clicking the hamburger icon. I think an alternative icon that indicates that the page will narrow, instead of just the sidebar closing, would be appropriate. I also think the narrow view has room for improvement. It kind of looks like a mobile-view shoehorned into a larger layout, with the Wikipedia logo and the user metadata offset to either side, out-of-reach from the rest of the page's content.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The logged-out experience starts out with the narrow view, with the sidebar hidden. Similar to the above, I think it's a bit of an initial shock to click the hamburger icon and see the entirety of the page expand (all I expect from clicking a hamburger icon is the sidebar to pop out).
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I think the narrow view is a nice option, for those that prefer it for reading. Otherwise no major difference.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Overall I think it's going in the right direction, but needs tweaking. With the removal of the gradient in the background, the gradient for each of the tabs (Page / Discussion / Read / View source / etc.) feels a bit out of place.
Pancho507
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I like it, it aligns with current trends like not giving much space to branding (new, high end laptops don't have any branding below the display and new phones don't have any branding on the front either), it has a modern, clean look. What i don't like though, is the drop down menu to switch languages, It feels oversized, and old. it would be better if it didn't had the box, only the text.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It's easier and more obvious. I believe it will save a lot of frustration, caused by landing on the wrong language.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, but at first it feels like there is yet another menu.I dislike its look when collapsed, bc it looks like a mobile web page. but i do like the fact that you don't have to move your eyeballs as often.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
It looks like a mobile web page. Also, i dislike how it loses so much apparent functionality.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I like it and dislike it at the same time. I like it bc you don't have to move your eyeballs as often. But i dislike it bc it looks like a mobile webpage with tons of wasted space, and a lot of functionality is also removed. Sure, you can open the menu, but i often overlooked that.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I sort of like the concept of taking the minimalist train, collapsing the menu by default, but when it is collapsed, something just doesn't look right. Also, i believe it would be a good idea to add a dark mode, with the help of a cookie to store the setting. with so much wasted space, it would greatly help with those annoyed by the intense white light coming from the sides.
Julle
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Less has changed than I expected. I'm not sure that's good. But on the other hand, the current design works, so this would work, too. I like that the links to the left are hidden from most users since they never use them anyway (too many options, difficult to get an overview) but wonder if we couldn't use that screen real estate to keep a couple of the most central ones: donate, become an editor, cite this page or something. Or making editing more easily accessible.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can, but it's a more cumbersome process. In practice, the prioritised languages – the ones I immediately see without scrolling – are dominated by languages like Esperanto, Ido, Interlingua, Interlingue, Novial, Simple English and Volapük. This makes no sense. I understand the line of thought that makes them and up there, but if that's the result, we need to re-think how it works. It's also more difficult to get an overview, since I have to open a new dialogue. As a multilingual person who uses the language links a lot, this is a downgrade. And it's not because it's new and I'm not used to it – this is how we navigate between languages in the Translate extension, so I've used it every week for years. This is the only thing I actively dislike about this design and the thing that will make editing worse for me. The inability to see which languages it's available in at a glance is also a big negative. It's very difficult to see, even if it's just 20 languages, because the grouping means that there's a lot of unused space and that in combination with the small dialogue means you have to keep in memory which fifteen languages you've already scrolled past. For the Translate extension, this part isn't as much of a problem, because I'm just trying to find my language to translate to, out of all possible languages, but here, I want to see which languages are available, not necessarily find a specific one. Two different problems that are not necessarily well served by the same solution.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I could. I like it, and have been wanting us to do something like this for a decade. I'm not sure the menu icon is an obvious "collapse sidebar".
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I think it makes sense to collapse the links for logged out users. We mainly want them to focus on a couple of links, if any: register, edit, discussion. But as stated above, maybe that could be used for some core links. And some relevant functionality disappears, like the random article function.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Less difference than I expected. But fewer links and more focus on the article is good, since the sidebar has just been a distraction for most people. A lot of Wikimedians are unaware what it contains, even if they've been editing for years.
Rachmat04
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Tidier. I find it more convenient. I love the collapse-able sidebar.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, I can figure how to do that.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, I can figure how to do that.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I do not know. I notice the default setting for non-logged-in users is the sidebar is collapsed. I did not find another differences.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Quite similar like previous design.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Please add dark theme option (seriously, at least for logged-in users).
Schnark
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The logo is much less prominent. This also causes the sidebar to feel like the first heading is really missing. The language switcher is really prominent, but since I rarely switch between languages, I think this is actually inconvenient.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It’s easy to find and to use, but as I said, at least for me I don’t think it should be such prominent. I also wondered what will happen for articles with very long titles. The answer: It’s really bad.
After I though about it for the past day, I think you are tricking us a bit by choosing an article that exists in many languages. Most articles exist in only a few languages. I feel disappointed when I click a button that promises me 2 Languages, am forced to scroll a bit (because Russian is listed three times), just to discover that I can’t even read any of them. Currently in such a case, I can see the list of languages without interaction and thus decide immediately that they are of no use to me.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can find the hamburger button, though the placement seems a little odd. But collapsing the sidebar actually reduces the width of the content area, which is really strange. The collapsing just removes a tiny bit of visual clutter, that can quite easily be ignored while reading, so it just feels completely useless. Also, the fact that the margin is only around the content area, but not around the header, creates a strange view.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
When logged-out, the sidebar is collapsed by default (and actions like “Move” are hidden, but this has nothing to do with the prototype). Since I don’t like the collapsible sidebar, I like this default for logged-out users even less.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I don’t think either the collapsible sidebar or the more prominent language switcher improve reading experience.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
If you wanted to reduce visual clutter by doing something to the sidebar, you could try whether setting a low opacity by default, and reverting on hover (i.e. #mw-panel {opacity: 20%;} #mw-panel:hover {opacity: 100%;}, plus some code for keyboard interaction) is a good idea. (I actually don’t think so, but nevertheless it looks interesting enough to at least give it a short try.)
Kaicarver
1. initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting?
At first I couldn't see a difference. Which is fine. I clicked on the hamburger in upper left and found that hides the menu, not bad. The only reason I clicked it is that in your instructions, you show two screenshots, one without menus, and I wondered how to get that view. It seems like a bug that clicking the hamburger does nothing when the window is fairly narrow: if you had menus, they stay in place, if you didn't, there's no way to see them.
2. Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language.
Yes I figured it out, not bad. I don't like the list of languages: world languages should have En, Fr, Es, Pt, sure, but also Zh, Jp, Ru, ... Basically the languages list, which I use a lot, should have common languages at the top, and/or languages I have checked in the past. I don't want to see Volapuk, Esperanto, Ido and other weird pretty useless languages except at the end of some very long list.
3. Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu.
Yes, see 1., especially the bug on narrow displays.
4. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
No visible menus by default if not logged in, good, as long as they can be seen if you want them. And the choice menu/no menu should be sticky.
5. Imagine your main objective is reading an article.
I think the contents should be minimized by default, and certainly minimizable (Hide). Maybe also all the links at the end, which are rather daunting and ugly, and are hidden by default normally, so probably that's just an omission and I'm wasting my time commenting on this?...
6. final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
The content starts lower compared to the regular Wikipedia page. That's bad. It seems to be because the Wikipedia logo, which used to be in the column on the left, now takes valuable space at the top of the main area. The less boilerplate, the better. Though now I realize the actual content starts no lower, because the "From Wikipedia" text boilerplate was removed. OK. Still, the extra white space at the top in the new format looks a bit bad to me. I want content! Not whitespace.
Floating table headers would be nice
I would like to propose to enable floating headers in tables for logged out users. It would be a great UX improvement in browsing big chunks table data.
Cjs
1. Aside from the move of the language selection, my first impression was it's pretty much the same as the current design.
2. It was pretty quick and easy to find the language selection button and pop up the box, but the search seems to search on only the native respresentation of the language name. I think this is a usability issue; I've described a scenario below.
2.1. Further, I hate that "you have a huge screen, we have a lot of data, let's make you scroll through it in a tiny window" thing. It's especially bad here because you know there are sections to more quickly guide you to what you're looking for, but you can't see all the section names except by very slowly paging through the whole thing, seeing many "pages" without a section name, and memorizing the list as you see each new section name come up. I find it hard to think of a worse way to present that, actually. (Maybe letter by letter?)
3. I hadn't noticed that the sidebar collapse button at the upper left, nor had it occurred to me that the sidebar could be collapsed. But I'm sure that during use of Wikipedia at some point I'd notice this, try it out, and be pleased about it. It's especially useful on my tablets, where I use the desktop site but cruft removal is always welcome.
4. Not seeing any additional differences for logged-out mode except the sidebar being off by default. I'd prefer it on by default (but saved for that browser/user in a cookie once changed), but I have no idea if my usage and browser widths etc. that make me prefer that are typical or not.
5. Seems pretty similar!
Here's the use case I'm talking about re language search:
I go look up the "Fujitsu FM-7," , a Japanese microcomputer from the 80s. (I cannot give you a link here; according to this site it's a better user experience to make you go do the search yourself than to let you just click on a link.)
I find the information there a bit lacking, and it occurs to me that the Japanese page might have mucho info. I don't understand a lick of Japanese, but since I use Chrome, when I visit the page it will be a mere button click to see a Google Translated version of the page.
I click the "11 languages" button and type in "Japanese." It finds nothing. I thank my lucky stars that this isn't a "226 langauges" and start scrolling through the list.
I read thorugh the list. Nothing labeled "Japanese." And aw, man! Almost half that list is just funny symbols, none of which I understand! I wonder which one is Japanese. Perhaps I have to try each one....
Darylgolden
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Don't particularly dislike it, but don't particularly like it either. Looks like a mobile site. When closing the sidebar, the article is squished instead of spread to use the full horizontal space. Would prefer the old interface.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, but I'm not sure why it has to be so prominent. Most readers won't ever have to change languages (at least, according to my intuition); putting a box on the top right corner seems counter-intuitive. Even multilingual readers would probably search the topic (in a search engine, not Wikipedia search) they are looking for in the language they are looking to read it in.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Stated above.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Don't notice anything different at first glance, other than the sidebar being collapsed by default.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
If the article properly fills up the screen when the sidebar is closed, it could be less cluttered.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Please have an option for users to use the old interface. I prefer it, not necessarily because it's better, but because I'm more used to it.
Monopoly31121992(2)
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I immediately looked for the "edit source" tab and couldn't find it. I imagine that's unlikely to encourage more editor contributions so that could be problematic. Also, the page looks remarkably similar to
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, I agree that it's very obvious and easy to locate but is this really the main issue users care about and want solved? If it is then great. Good job.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
This is a problem. You can collapse the main sidebar by clicking on the hamburger menu icon but it only collapses when the browser is large enough (it doesn't work if you scale down your browser to check the reactive design on say a mobile view. More importantly, collapsing the sidebar does nothing for the UX other than adding large white borders on either side of the page. It would be better if it allowed you to use that space by filling part of it with text or images from the page.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Oh, I think I get this. The default view will be a "cleaner" UX. That's fine but actually too much white space as borders can actually miss an opportunity to make the UX even MORE immersive. I suggest you reconsider the width of the white space on the borders.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I would like the article to fill up more of the screen when the sidebar is closed. I want to be able to read/see as much as possible as quickly as possible and not have to scroll.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Please keep an option for users to use the old interface.
Rursus
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
No, it was business as usual, not much of a change.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
That was easy. The menu is too big though, and it isn't easy and natural to find language per continent. An alphabetic one would have been better, and English and one's native language should be at the top of the menu.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
That was easy too.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I don't think it should be any different from the loginned experience.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I have trouble observing any obvious changes, the collapsible side bar was good though.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I want pentangle windows. No, seriously I cannot come up with any.
Worldbruce
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The first thing I noticed was the language drop down in the upper right corner. The bold text makes it more prominent than seems necessary. The next thing that registered was the change from "Talk" to "Discussion". I believe I've seen this before on other wikis, and in my opinion it's a better description. "Talk" is deeply ingrained on en.wikipedia, however, and there likely would be resistance to using a longer word. It's a discussion worth having. The behavior of the three-bar menu in the upper left is not intuitive. From other mobile interfaces I expect it to present a number of lesser-used menu options, but it just hides the left-hand panel. I use Wikipedia so much that I don't even see the left panel unless I'm looking for something there. I'm not sure whether hiding it would make the interface more or less confusing to new users. I would expect hiding it to reformat the content to display more on a screen, but in fact it shows slightly less content, which is quite unexpected and puzzling.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, I could figure it out. It has always bothered me that the languages are shown only by their native names rather than their English ones. I understand the motivation for people who speak that language, but there are use cases in which non-speakers might want to find a page in a specific language. If one wants more information about a Bengali-language poet, for example, it would make sense to see if there's a more complete article about them on the Bengali-language Wikipedia. Translation tools can make such an article accessible to non-speakers. But finding the right link (বাংলা) is difficult for a non-speaker, especially if it's in a forest of languages in other unfamiliar scripts. I don't find the geographic breakdown helpful.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I discovered that the three-bar menu does it because I was playing around with everything that was new, but that isn't somewhere that I would have looked for the functionality. I would have looked first for some sort of arrow or triangle on the edge of the panel, or perhaps an X in its upper right corner. As I said in my response to the first question, I don't really see the point.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
OK, that makes it more understandable why you moved the languages and introduced the hiding of the sidebar.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The reading experience is generally good, maybe better than the current experience because of the hidden left-hand panel. I am very surprised, however, that making the window wider doesn't change the text layout, only makes the margins wider. I'm not a fan of super-wide windows, and don't find the results when using them with the current interface very readable, but that's surely a matter of choice for the reader. Constraining it flies in the face of every modern user interface design principle. It's also annoying that the window must be wide enough to fully display the wide white margins, or a scroll bar appears at the bottom. I hope that's an artifact of the mock-up, and not something intentional that would happen in any final design.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Florianschmidtwelzow
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It's mostly the same design, Wikipedia has for years now. The language links on the top right (instead of the left sidebar) makes it more clean in the sidebar. However, switching between favorite languages (like german <-> english) now requires two clicks, as the are no "short links".
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, the language selection button is now more prominent next to the content (it's easier to find at this position, instead of having to look into the sidebar on the left side). However, see my feedback above, I need two clicks now to switch between my most-used languages, which is a bit disappointing (however, I would prefer the new position over that, though).
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I kind of like this idea of hiding the main sidebar, it's easy to find how to do that. However, few things:
I would prefer the main sidebar to be hidden by default
I kind of don't like the "massive" change when it is hidden. I expected the content to roughly stay at the same position and only the sidebar being hidden (and probably the main content to extend by the size of the sidebar). My screen size, if interesting in this case is a 27 inch monitor at 1920x1080p.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I see, that the main sidebar is hidden by default now. I like this experience, as I also already expected it to be the case when logged in as well. However, I understand that this might be different for other logged-in users, I roughly edit Wikipedia and mostly do not use the tools from the sidebar.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I like the idea of making the content more focused and "stacked" together, instead of spreading it out to both sides of the screen. It allows easier reading of the text. However, in combination with the infobox, it is probably to less space there for the text, so I need to switch lines more often, mich makes it hard to keep track of at which line I am. So maybe the infobox should be kept outside of the main content and "attached" to it at the right side?
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Nothing, which wasn't written above :)
Yngvadottir
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It has that bare look of Vector, ugh. The comforting Wikipedia globe is tiny, and one of those groups of three lines that's supposed to mean "menu" but just looks like clutter, is squeezing it for prominence. I suspect this is going to hang horribly on a bad connection, like all these visual menu-based pages.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Must be the intrusive boldfaced thing with a down arrow on the upper right? OK, I followed up on the hunch and - you've grouped the languages. Don't you realize many languages are not region-specific? And it makes the list take up a lot of real estate. I prefer the sidebar link we've always had.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
No I can't, and I'm not sure what you mean - shrink it to the left? In any case why would I want to do that? I don't like pull-down menus, and they are violently inaccessible.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
All the intriguing stuff in the left sidebar went away. How are you going to draw in new editors that way?
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I don't know what it is about Vector - the font is a smidgen larger, so I ought to like it, but it seems cold, barren, and a bit spooky. So this strikes me the same way, because it's basically Vector with smartphone shit, right?
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Please leave it all alone. If you must develop software, please do some of the things that have been on editors' wish lists for a decade.
Puzzledvegetable
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
My first impression is that the prototype looks sleek and modern without being a complete overhaul of the familiar Wikipedia look.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I'm not sure I agree with the placement of the language change button. Its prominence at the top of the page suggests that each article is exactly the same, but in a different language. This is very misleading to a reader unfamiliar with the fact that each language is a separate project maintained by the Wikimedia Foundation, and there is no assurance of uniformity between two articles with the same subject in different languages. The way it is currently, with each language being designated as a separate project that requires switching websites to access makes this clear.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I'm neutral about collapsing the sidebar. I don't think that it takes up any space, or that it is distracting from the article, but I don't see the harm in including it. As is, in the prototype, the article doesn't expand to fill in the empty space once the sidebar is collapsed, so I don't really see what the intended purpose is. On the contrary, the article actually gets smaller, since when the sidebar is collapsed, the right hand margin collapses as well.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The only difference I noticed, is that the user is not redirected to a log out page. I would not welcome that change. It is very reassuring to be taken to a page that confirms that you are not logged in any more. I can only envision the compulsive side of me making me attempt to log back in every time just to make sure that it requests a password.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The layout of the article seemed the same to me. I did not notice any major changes.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I like the new look; as I said, it is sleek and modern. However, none of the added functionality and non-ascetic changes (collapsing sidebar, switching languages, and logging out) appeared to be an improvement. The new favicon is nice, though.
GerardM
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
This page is unwieldly big, too long to read
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes I can
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Sorry no
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
(your feedback here)
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
(your feedback here)
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I hate that the table of contents takes so much room.. I miss Scholia
Talib1101
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It looks similar, but the language drop-down menu is easier than scrolling through tiny blue links in the sidebar menu.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, I can, it is a better experience to be able to search for languages.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, but it was not immediately obvious to me. The three-bar icon seemed to be part of the top header of the page, not the sidebar, and I usually expect it to open more options (as in Firefox) not collapse options already open.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
It seems this layout may have not been tested on UHD or other variant screen resolutions; The article takes up only the middle third while the rest is wasted whitespace.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I am unable to collapse pages, which makes it difficult to go back and forth between two sections that are not near each other without going back to the table of contents. The long table of contents is not collapsible which pushes up the length of the introduction past the infobox, producing a middle column of wasted whitespace
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
(your feedback here) I like the smaller WP logo, the ability to hide the left side menu, and "Discussion" instead of "Talk". I don't like "Page" instead of "Article", and how prominent the language switcher is. I think having 2 tabs "active" at the same time (which is the current default display the article, and has not been changed in the prototype. In other words, Page and Read both seem to be active. I think it would clearer to readers to show which page is displayed (Page/Article or Discussion) using one UI method, and which information about the page (Read, View source, View history, etc.) using a different one.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
(your feedback here) Yes, it is clear how to navigate to another language version. However, I dislike the language categorization. Don't use worldwide--it is misleading, unhelpful, and biased. Default to a single alphabetical list, and allow users to "favorite" languages they want, which would move them to the top of the list.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
(your feedback here) It was not obvious to me right off, but once I found it, it made sense. Good feature.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
(your feedback here) The differences are minor, and generally seem reasonable to me. It does seem odd to still have Contributions on the logged out version.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
(your feedback here) The differences in the article itself seem very minor. The 2 differences I see I dislike: auto-expanding navigation boxes (which I would be okay with if I could turn that off in Preferences), and the lack of categories. I constantly use categories, so I definitely want them to be visible by default. (The lack of categories is the main reason I do not use mobile view on my phone.) I think they are useful to readers who aren't intimately familiar with Wikipedia, and are a nice way to navigate to related articles. Why are you removing categories?
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
(your feedback here) It might be worth autocollapsing all sections, or at least the secondary sections (See also, Notes, References, External links, etc.) I think is also worth considering formatting categories similar to See also sections.
forbes72
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It seems pretty similar to the current interface. The links to other languages have been put into a single button and moved to the right hand side, this is a decent idea, but not perfectly executed (see below). The resizing of the Wikipedia logo and adding of a hamburger button seems like a mistake. Why are the categories gone? That seems like a mistake. The removal of the wikimedia and mediawiki logos helps declutter a bit from the bottom of the page. The statistics page link being removed is fine.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yeah, easily. But why add a search function if you can't search English names? I think it would be better structured like the current alphabetical list, with the English name listed along so you can search easily. (e.g. Адыгэбзэ/Kabardian,Afrikaans/Afrikaans,etc.)
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can easily figure it out. But why does the size of the margins increase? Presumably, I would want to collapse a menu to make more room for the text of the article. If I collapse the menu, the width of the text should get larger, not smaller. Otherwise it defeats the whole purpose of having collapsible menus at all.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The sidebar is gone. That seems fine for those just reading the article, but again, the margins should get smaller if the menu is collapsed.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The consolidation of languages and removal of little-used links and doodads helps with readability. Auto-hiding the sidebar seems fine for non logged in users. I like the idea of a collapsible menu to make more room for content on screen. But if collapsing the menu increases the margins, that actually makes reading the article harder.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Overall, it's sort of mixed.
Benefits:
The language bar needs to be better searchable, and probably kept with alphabetic organization, but seems like a good idea overall.
Removing clutter at the bottom of the page
The removal of a superfluous "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" at the beginning of the article.
Ambivalent:
Changing text sizes/spacing in user info on upper right side
Changing names "article->page" "talk->discussion"
Issues:
The current interface has all of the "general wikipedia links" in box-shaped area on the upper left, which is good. The current location of the collapse button clutters up this organization, so I think it should go at the bottom of the menu bar so the interface is more clear.
Where are the categories? Seeing and editing categories is one of the few things I find easier to do directly looking at the page and not opening the editor, so if they are removed it would be a step backwards for the interface.
Margin behavior: the margins should get thinner, not wider when the menu collapses. This could be a bug that concerns my particular setup, but I think it should be fixed if this gets implemented.
Lbillett
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Everything seemed in place. Nothing felt like it was in the way.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The language links are definitely more prominent, though they didn't feel in the way. Use felt intuitive. The language count is nice. Would give you an instant feeling for whether the language in which you're interested has an article. I like it.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The sidebar didn't give me the impression it was collapsible. When clicking the button it almost felt like something happened that wasn't supposed to. Now, imagining that collapsing the sidebar was something I already wanted to do, it would have been easy to find. The fixed width view without the sidebar has a modern feeling (after getting over the surprise). I didn't feel like I had to fiddle with the browser window.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Wow, *click*! Funny, without a big *clunk* I almost didn't feel like I logged out. Would get used to that fast.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Generally speaking, I didn't notice a major difference. Nothing detracting anyway. The look is tidy and even the thummbnails had what felt like a more uniform appearance. I don't really edit Wikipedia, but use mediawiki a lot.
Qcomp
sorry, I didn't see the format others were using nor the questions, so here goes:
1. Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
my very first impression: "nothing has changed"; 2nd I notice that the language versions are gone from the left column and a bunch of wiki projects are there
1. Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
sure, was quite obvious; the search feature is nice and works smoothly; still, for articles with few interwikis, I liked it better to see the list of language versions immediately as before; but for many the new version is superior.
1. Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I could collapse it (if by collapse you mean: make it go away): without the question, I would no have thought that anything could be done; now clicking on teh three horizontal bars next to the wikipedia logo (where I would have expected a popup/pulldown menu to open), the contents of the bar disappear but it gets even wider and the main text very narrow (looks like 25-30% white - 40-50% text - 25-30% white: bad use of screen space. what I would like to have is a way to make the bar go away and broaden the main text instead...
1. The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
for some reason, logout also "collapses" the bar on the left and login "uncollapses" it; if I'm logged in and in the collapsed view, the logging out does keeps that view; but logging back in, it "uncollapses". If I'm logged out and uncollapsed, then nothing changes when logging in. Other than that I notice no changes (except for the expected vanishing of the buttons/options reserved for logged in users)
1. Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
mostly, it doesn't look so different. I only noticed that the languages had been moved and there were more "Other" wikiprojects listed in the bar at the left.
when looking at the normal page to compare: the logo is smaller: good! (2) no "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" below the lemma: good!
I noticed that when clicking on wikilinks, I end up not at the top of the new (target) page as expected but somewhere in the middle - actually, it seemed to depend on how far down I was in the "source page": when hadn't scrolled further down there, then also the beginning of the new (target) page was shown - when further down on the source page, I ended up in the middle of the target page...
I don't like the long list of "other" wiki projects in the left column: it seems wasteful (I never go to any of them from within WP) and the different language versions that used to be there where useful (and also interesting to see how "popular" the topic was internationally.--Qcomp (talk) 22:45, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Parasang-PtIr
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I don't like the new fonts, layout and spacing. It is not an improvement, it gives the feeling of reading on a smartphone. Also, the old "edit this page" tab disappeared, which I don't think is a good idea. Presumably, "view source" replaces that, but I don't see why changing the name.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes. The new dropdown menu is easy to spot, but so was the old bar on the left. I don't think this minimal change is worth modifying the layout. Also, I have an issue in identifying languages because there is no translitteration: if I want to see the page in Cantonese or in Mandarin (for some topics it might be preferable to do that, and then translate with Google Translate) I really have no idea how to find that, as the search for the English name of those languages does not work.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, I could figure it out quite easily. But I don't see why I would want to do that. Not a useful feature for me.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The width is different, and the side bar disappears. I am neutral about it.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I much prefer the current experience on Wikipedia, which in my opinion is almost perfect.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Dear Wikipedia, please please "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Wikipedia's current layout is great, I don't think it can be significantly improved (at most some minor fine-tuning), most users know their way around it, so there's really no point in changing things for the sake of it. In the best case scenario, you will end up with an equivalently efficient layout. Otherwise, you'll end up with a worse layout. High risk for no gain. In any case, even if you decide to go ahead and change the layout, please keep an option for users to visualize the old one.
Minecrafter0271
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I think that the article is rather long and not too comfortable to navigate.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
No.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
No
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
There are no side menus. It seems rather forced together. I'm not a huge fan of it.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I don't like the page layout. The sides are gone, so it's surrounded in white, which I'm not a huge fan of. I think I'm kind of smothered in information and WikiLinks. I like the current version better.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I like Wikipedia better as it is now.
Leuqarte
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It has a cleaner look. See responses below:
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The means to do so was easily discoverable and seemed to work well in my tests.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The button, as is, suggests to me that it will open a menu. This button should change in some way to show the menu is open and can be collapsed. Collapsing gives the appearance that I am on a mobile-optimized version of the site
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Noticed the menu was collapsed, and the links at the top of the page, as well as a couple of page tabs, were removed/altered to reflect what a visitor without an account should have.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The article layout, etc. now seems about the same, no jarring changes to me from what the current version does.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Will skins be supported in the new version?
Paith
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Frankly, I didn't see much difference.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, I found it, but it is confusing. Some languages in capital letters, others not. Visually, a bit distracting.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Good idea if you are reading long texts.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Certain options are not available?
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
A bit better.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Not a dramatic change, which is good.
Anonymous
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I find it convenient and quite interesting
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
You choose from the language dropdown. Amazing!
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It is like the mobile version, you click that menu icon. Amazing
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Not much
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Amazing
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I love it!
PBThuan
1:
After some time looking around, I find the prototype quite... messy and confusing to look around. Basically the same impression you'd feel whenever you look at documentations. The good thing about this is the fact that you can hide the sidebar, making the information more easy to read and not like packed in a box.
The top bar is kinda messy, to be honest. It'd be nicer if there is a box "kinda like the "Translation" one and when you click it, those "Log in", "Log out", "Preferences" and those kinds of stuff pops out. Make it like Facebook or Twitter, people are familiar with those user interfaces.
Also, maybe change the font? It's quite lame looking at that "Arial-lookalike" font. Another nice-looking and modern font will bring a new taste.
The sidebar is still quite a mess though. The "Other Projects" part is taking a lot of unnecessary space. Maybe try to make it into an "Other Projects" box, and when you click it, the page will appear a pop-up, showing all the stuff?
2:
After around 10 secs, I managed to find that little box at the top of the page. A well-designed box, but maybe put it to the sidebar? Since everyone is used to that. And maybe when you click at it, a pop-up will cover the page, showing all the languages. It's not very convenient to look at that small sliding thing trying to find the language you want to read.
3:
It's pretty easy. Literally. But when I closed it, it feels like if someone had just shut a steel door into my face. It's unnatural, like if it was forced to be hidden (well realistically that's true), but that gives off a very unpleasant feeling.
4:
You log out, the sidebar went Thanos-snapped, and when you log in, the sidebar appears again. It's a little nice touch since users will be able to notice if they are logged in or not. The log out/in thing do need more touch though, maybe make a small green notification on the top saying: "Successfully logged in!"/"Successfully logged out! See you soon, [username]!"
5:
The overwhelming feelings of having too much information at once? Pretty much the same for me (but I guess it's a good thing).
6:
It's nice that Wikipedia is going to have a new look soon, I have been waiting for it for quite a time. Designers highly value simplicity, since simplicity makes everything looks more modern, clean and easier to use. It would be a nice thing if all the bars and gadgets thing are made cleaner to look at.
ignamv
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Looks pretty similar
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Seems better for articles with many languages
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Figured it out, not terribly intuitive
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Sidebar hidden by default? Could work.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Great, except the font is slightly small.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Thanks!
1233
Initial Impression
It seemed something that can work for most users. The loading seems to need more work as there are problems like others. It is definitely not a good experience when you see a bunch of weird Times New Roman stuff. I suppose this is not intended, but definitely something needs to be done on the backend. I suppose this is somewhat due to the use of the API (not native). It is neat without the left bar, and put what is needed (language) at top corner.
Changing language
Works for me, but I would hope to see a more intuitive way (i.e. floating bottom bar seems to be an option?) I hate scrolling just to change article language.
Collapse sidebar menu
Quite intuitive. I am completely fine with it.
Logged-out experience
95% of the people who use Wikipedia is logged out. It seemed weird not to use a larger button labelled [Join Wikipedia] and [Log In to Wikipedia] at top right hand for attracting people to join and edit.
Reading experience
I suppose here is a logged out experience. Neater but it seems weird not to use the whole width. It makes no difference to mobile of that is the final design.
Other thoughts
This is something that works for me. However, I would want to see more refinement of the logged-out experience. It is also a wise choice to make some buttons at the floating bottom, like the edit button and view history button. In cases like the Chinese Wikipedia where variants are common, I also suppose a language variant bar at the bottom. This simplifies the reading experience and make it more
Something like that for not logged-in user:
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wikipedia logo join wikipedia | log in
article content article content article con
tent article......
(floating bottom bar)
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edit | view history | other languages
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(end of floating bottom bar)
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here is the content of the original bot. bar
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Feminist
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Meh. It's a minimal change from Vector. I use MonoBook (the responsive design developed by Isarra) as my day-to-day skin though... The option to center text (and limit page width) is long overdue considering the trend of wide and ultra-wide screens.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Meh... again, not a major change, though for the first few weeks/months when the redesign is applied, add something like "Other languages have moved!" to where it once was. And make it a floating button so that readers don't have to scroll back to the top of the page.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It makes no sense that you have to scroll up to the top in order to open or close the sidebar. Again, make it a floating menu button that remains at the same location regardless of where the page is scrolled.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The only difference is that the menu is now hidden by default. Not a major change, but it makes sense. (Is that it?) It would be much more useful to allow logged-out users to switch between skins, using Cookies if necessary.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The option to center text is long overdue. That's what I can say.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
It's a minimal change so it would likely be uncontroversial compared to, say, Timeless. But it doesn't make the website significantly more user-friendly or anything like that. Meh. Please do not remove the option to use other skins when you implement this. WMF, how much have you spent on this?
Adûnâi
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting?
The first different thing I see is the ugly mobile logo - along with the abominable 3-bars sign. Please, do not implement any of those! Wikipedia was a shiny beacon amidst the abhorrent mobile Material design.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Totally oppose the change! The small window, if implemented, will exemplify everything wrong with modern website UI! I already find it disgraceful that in the current client, a logged-out user has such trouble navigating that excuse for a language selection "menu". Please, do not spread it to logged-in users, too.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I say NO to any collapsible windows. They come from mobile. They make it hard for me to click on things because everything is moving around!
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The page moves awkwardly to the left of the screen. Now there is a huge white bar to the right! The whole text becomes unpleasant to read as there are now two white bars (in the original, there is only one to the left and thus the text has a "foundation" from the right, a neat basis).
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The page becomes annoying to read because a logged-out user sees two white bars to the sides of the text instead of one - it makes the text seem "hung" awkwardly in the middle, without a neat basis on the right as was the case with the original.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
All these changes make Wikipedia ugly and hard to read. I am grateful that I have a place to voice my thoughts against this constantly-moving and objectively worse (in arbitrarily-chosen places, it seems) mobile abomination trying to get on my desktop/laptop. Collapsible menus? And an objectively cumbersome language selection menu? No, do not do any of these. And if I may add my subjective view now, I like the long list of languages not only because I find it easy to select them as they are neatly ordered alphabetically (instead of typing), and not just because I can easily remember the place of German or Russian in the list for all future cases (instead of scrolling in an ugly tiny window), but also because I can determine at a glance the relevance of the article internationally, and appreciate the diversity (I normally despise the word) of Wikipedia's contributors. There, I said it - the new ugly tiny language selection window hinders diversity! (Maybe this will work, considering the general political Weltanschauung of Wikimedia organizers...)
Andy Mabbett - User:Pigsonthewing
There is a terrible intermediate stage before the page fully loads. Perhaps that is only an artefact of the prototype; it wouldn't be acceptable in a production version.
The page has a horizontal scroll; ditto.
When the left-hand menu is collapsed, the body of the article jumps left; this is disconcerting.
Displaying the label for simple English as "Simple Eng..." is antithetical to that project's intended accessibility heightening.
If I want to read text without page chrome, I use my browser (Firefox)'s "reader view" facility.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It looks mostly the same as before, which is a bit disappointing as I think there's scope for wider changes. Unfortunately, the biggest change I can see is with the logo, which doesn't really make much sense - the image is smaller, while the text is more prominent, and the page already has a lot of text and not many images.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can figure it out, and it's possibly a right step in the direction of making other language versions more visible, but I don't think it goes far enough. Plus, the next step is that I would want to look at the other Wikimedia projects, such as Commons to find more images - but that's less intuitive with the new version.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It's difficult imagining wanting to collapse the sidebar, but it seems to be possible. In my experience this sort of functionality is only used to show a menu bar, not to hide it.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The article content no longer uses the full width of my browser, which is terrible UI design - the user should be able to chose the text width, not the website designer. It looks like it is a step to merging the desktop and mobile sites into a flexible design, though, which would be a good thing.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The main difference is that the narrower text makes it more difficult to browse the article content. The removal of the underlining of links makes them a bit easier to read, though, and is a good step.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
The interface definitely needs improvements, so please keep working on this! Please also think about improvements that can be made that will encourage people to edit the article as well as just reading it. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:16, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How to publish/contribute an article.
I am a long time and frequent user and occasional contributor to Wikipedia. We would like to consider an article for Wikipedia. What do I need to know to do so?
As far as improvements go, you should have a section for potential article writers; you are replete with info about editing.
Sincerely,
Jim Crichton
It's Okay.
I think the side bar being removes leaves a weird empty space that seems to serve no purpose. Perhaps moving the whole article over to fill in that new space would be better, or have the sidebar travel down the page with you.
Other than that, I do not have a preference either way for any of the changes.
1. Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Noticed a lot of changes, including the WP logo now rectangular instead of square. Also, locks now moved to bottom.
2. Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes. Its good.
3. Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes. The experience has now made it worse.
4. The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top right corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Its the same exact experience as closing the menu
5. Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
No significant changes.
6. Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
The placement of languages links and other project links is better than the current design. I do not find the additional click to display common languages an issue, and I prefer immediate grouped view of other project links, particularly Wikidata. I would be happy for this to be grouped as an "other project" context menu rather than full links. I dislike the fact that logged out users lose the left menu links – this results in a passive reader-oriented experience when we should be treating logged out users as potential contributors. Instead, I think the remaining left menu links should be reviewed on a traffic basis to drive key outcomes.
I believe the following left menu links are of value for permanent one-click display: Main Page, Random Page, Donate, What Links Here (may be personal preference only on the last one). The Interaction section should be replaced with a singular link on "How to Contribute" which should lead to a page which describes the various content and technical contributor roles within the given Wikimedia project. The change should be more bold. I think the left menu should be removed entirely and all high value one-click links and context menus should be moved to the top horizontal bar, which should be left-aligned. Usability studies indicate an initial upper-most, left-aligned focus by users. Wikimedia's current design fights this – a user's top left view is currently defined by the article page area rather than the left context menu, thus making those left menu context links sit in a decorative area eye-wise. The right alignment of the existing user links is also fighting the "F" view preference. The top horizontal bar would be better left-aligned (along with key one-click links and context menus to be moved there from the existing left menu). I would strongly recommend trialling champion/challenger versions of the page design on this basis for non-logged in users (if not logged-in ones) in order to see how such changes would affect user behaviour. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 00:33, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
BirdValiant
I hated the change to to the languages list. What previously took a single click, now takes several. This is a hard-pass for me.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The page seems great as a whole.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
This was odd. Firstly I saw the 'languages' box when arriving on the page, but completely ignored it. Than, after this question, I looked for the usual links at the left and couldn't find them. I've even Ctrl+F'ed two other langs with no success, and it took me a few more seconds to see the 'languages' box and realise that it was a drop down menu.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It seems there is no way to do it. For me it doesn't matter.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Interesting. This may be useful for users that do not have an account and are not into this wiki-thing, as a cleaner page may help them to like more this environment. Overloaded interfaces are unfriendly for newcomers.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It was pretty much the same good experience.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I need a dark mode switch, pleaaase!
Omda4Wady
اعتقد من الأفضل وضع ىقائئمة مختصرة باللغات الكثر انتشارا بالعالم أولا ثم بقية اللغات فيما بعد بترتيبها حسب القارات
عند طي القائمة الرئيسية من الأفضل ان تتسع صفحة المحتوى
توفير أزرار لتكبير الفونت لتحسين القراءة لضعاف البصر
من الأفضل التفاف النص حول قائمة المحتويات
من الافضل دمج الاخطارات وصندوق الوارد
من الأفضل عمل شريط للنقاش وادوات التحرير
من الأفضل عمل تبويب علوي للتصنيفات يتم فتحه مثل تبويب تعديل
Roguebrownies
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
In general, I didn't notice too much different, other than that the languages moved from links on the left to a special dropdown. While this might be easier for some people, the fact of the change might be annoying to others. I don't think I would mind either way, as I generally only read in English.
I did notice that the top line of the article section was a bit above the bottom of the "Page", "Discussion", etc links. This wasn't a huge deal, except in the search box, where the top border line of the article showed through the box. Based on the images of the prototype, I don't think this offset was intentional, though. Perhaps this is a temporary layout issue, or perhaps it is because I am browsing on Linux using Firefox.
I also noticed that in the Moon article, under the "Earth Moon System" section, the image there has a bullet to the left, while on the regular Wikipedia site, it does not (link to original article omitted because of an error message). Maybe that is a difference in the source; I didn't check.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I could easily find the language box. I'm not sure that the search is easier than just selecting the desired language on the left. While it makes sense to search of language names in their native spellings, it makes it difficult to switch to French (at least typing "fr" brings up "français" for selection) and all but impossible to select a language I cannot type, like Chinese or Korean. I do not know how common this is, but I could imagine a person who speaks both English and Chinese working on a computer with a US keyboard and finding it difficult to switch to Chinese mode for browsing. With the existing links, it is just a matter of finding the correct link.
On long articles, like the example one on the Moon, it seems like it would be reasonable to have both the new dropdown and links.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I did find out how to do that by clicking the hamburger icon. Though I was surprised that clicking that icon made something currently on the screen disappear rather than appear. I don't think I like that. Nor did it actually create more readable space. It just moved the article at the same width to be more centered. Actually, I take that back, it actually removes article width. Definitely do not like.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I do not personally like this logged out view because it defaults to the restricted article width with no side links. At least the more traditional view is able to be restored by clicking the hamburger menu, and that selection stays even when following links. While I could get used to the reduced view, it does waste a lot of space on the left and right.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
For the article text and images, I found the prototype to be about the same as the current Wikipedia format. Though that is a good thing, as I like the current format. The restricted width view I found annoying because it requires more scrolling, but could probably get used to it. Personally, I like the visuals of the normal view, with the single pixel light blue line around the article text and the links with a slight off-white background. Though nostalgia would play at least a bit into that, since that is how Wikipedia currently is.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I wouldn't be surprised that more people would say they liked the restricted view, and might describe it as more "clean". I personally find that it lacks the appearance of functionality that the full width view with its additional links provides. I say appearance of functionality, because I rarely actually use any of those links. But if Wikipedia is going to remove them (at least by default), then making the article wider to show more content rather than narrower.
jrooksjr
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
At first glance, I could not really tell anything had changed other than the "Wikipedia" image has shrunk some and there is a language link on the upper right side of the page, but upon later inspection I saw the 3 bars, used to expand/shrink the side bar.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes I figured that out before I read the questionnaire. I like that they are in groups by regions, but they are too spaced apart - you have to scroll alot to see them all especially if one of those at the bottom was your language.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, I figured out how to collapse it after I read that you can do so. I do not like that when you collapse the side bar the main page width gets smaller as well, when I collapse the sidebar, I want more width not less.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
It goes to the shrunken side-bar function that I do not like.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I honestly, can't tell that much difference overall.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
none, at the present time.
Bug2266
I'll start by saying the page is fine, and it's just strange to use after using a certain Wikipedia for so many years. All my complaints are just with stylistic choices.
It's been stated more than a few times, but my biggest gripe with the new layout is all the empty space. There's a gargantuan gap between the header and all of the user links at the top. It's a waste of space and it makes the website look colder.
Second of all, the menu toggle is extremely jarring. Not only does it shrink the entire page, but it reduces the amount of space for the text. If you're going to have a toggle setting, do what Reddit does and make the sidebar unobtrusive to begin with, and upon disabling it, make the actual text on the screen bigger.
My last point is just a personal aesthetic choice, but the languages replacing the article rating and security spot and pushing them down looks weird. Keep the languages where they were previously, it worked well. Maybe have the same idea for finding a specific language, because as it stands, articles have a weird tendency towards certain languages. Maybe have the article ratings (not even just good and featured, but stub, start, A, B, C, etc.) as a coloured heading by default, or have the symbol be somewhat transparent in the background where all that space might be.
jroy
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It looks the same as before, the familiar left indent. Perhaps the links at the left have changed.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I looked for links at the top related to the page (e.g. "Read", "View Source", etc.). Then I looked at the left links. I didn't see the language switcher until after this. I expected a dropdown of languages, but then I liked that I could search for the language I wanted instead of scrolling. Overall I didn't find it right away and found it strange there's a different link design for languages.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It look me awhile - I expected an arrow closer to the menu. Since it was closer to the edge of the page and the Wikipedia logo, I was unsure what it would do (would it bring up another menu? Would it exit my current page, which I don't want?)
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I like that other people can read the page without being logged in. I guess it hid the left menu that were actions only someone logged in could do.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I think taking the full width of the screen makes it hard to read. I'd also want to be able to access the table of contents whenever to quickly skip to sections of interest.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Waddie96
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I expected more 'drastic' changes, such as a more modern look. Particularly in recovering horizontal space by eliminating the left sidebar, to place focus on the content. I like the idea of having a small Wikipedia logo and a collapsible sidebar.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Figured out how to do so with ease. I don't like the fact that one cannot read the full name of a language if the text is too long, such as "Simple Engl..."
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
With ease, the icon is universally identifiable. However, collapsing the sidebar only reduces the horizontal space available! I'd prefer that the sidebar was changed drastically in some way to recover some horizontal space, or that the sidebar was collapsed by default (whereby collapsing it recovers horizontal space).
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I like that the logged out experience removes the sidebar which makes Wikipedia more friendly to readers, who are purely content-focused. Other than that, no other differences were noted.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
One-third width is a bit too much white space for my liking.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I don't notice much difference to be honest, other than a change in the way languages can be selected and a change in placement of the Wikipedia logo; and of course, the width changes which I'm not so fond of. I like the idea of a collapsible sidebar but I feel the sidebar should be overhauled in addition. I also think we could do a lot to make infoboxes and other 'boxes' more modern. Waddie96 (talk) 17:09, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Platinops
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Not much differences at first sight. Smaller logo. Main links shifted down due to logo (=> more whitespace => not good).Shifted logo due to hamburger menu. Infobox shifted down; no longer in line with the title.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It is very clear how to do this (and the search is definitely a nice addition), though I do not like the setup. All navigation links are blue, so why switch to this black on grey button for this? In the language dropdown, there's too much unnecessary whitespace. Furthermore, a lot of languages are not shown completely due to the 4 column layout (e.g. "Nederla..." instead of "Nederlands").
I would add a normal link (not a dropdown button) or language symbol such as on the mobile version. If you click on it, a large popup appears, with search bar and condensed multiple-column list of languages.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I figured out how to do this, but clicking on a hamburger menu to hide a sidebar is very unnatural. This is usually done with a "<<" botton on the right of the sidebar. When you click on it, the sidebar collapses towards the right and the button changes to a ">>" button. It is not logical either to suddenly add a lot of whitespace to either side of the article when collapsing the sidebar. This reduces the information density with no upside whatsoever (if I want to have a narrower view, I'll resize my browser window). Another issue with this behaviour is that you are combining two actions into one. I believe there should be two separate buttons: "<<" collapses the sidebar. And then a "reading mode" button to switch to the narrower view for people who do not like to read long lines of text and do not prefer to reduce their browser window size.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Please do not make this the standard view of Wikipedia. It reduces information density for the average user. And if you do, please separate the "toggle sidebar" and "toggle reading mode" buttons.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The advantage of the narrower view is that you have to read less long lines of text. But this can you also achieve by reducing the browser window width.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Will the latest view (narrow or full width with sidebar) be saved into a cookie for both a logged-out and logged-in user? That way at least the default view will always be the same once you have selected it.
If you prefer to keep the "featured" and "protected" symbols, please move it one line up, at the same level as the article title.
ChlorideCull
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Didn't notice any change at all at first.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I think it's great to see the "other languages" shift from their old position in the sidebar, it always felt a bit too out of the way.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It's odd that clicking the hamburger button changes the entire UI, and causes the entire page to jump about. Not to mention that the sidebar doesn't take up much space in the first place. It should follow normal "hamburger menu" convention, if anything.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Defaults to a collapsed sidebar. As for how that works, see above.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Wikipedia articles aren't formatted to work well in a thin viewport, especially ones with a lot of images. Only using 960px of the viewport feels like a waste of space, but 1280px feels like a better experience than what we have today.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Changing the design is worthwhile work :)
DimethylHydra
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.) I couldn't notice much of a difference at first outside of the smaller logo
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience? Not having the sidebar options was a bit confusing at first, but the new dropdown seems more convenient. Having IALs alongside English/Spanish/French/Portuguese at the top of the language listing seems odd but I'm not sure if it would be worth it to make a new section just for those.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience? I would have assumed that the hamburger icon would just collapse the sidebar, so having it also crunch the actual page content up a bit is slightly confusing. I'm also not fond of how much padding there is around the article, since it decreases how much actual content is viewable at once without doing anything other than adding more blank space.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think? I don't see much of a difference between the "collapsed menu" layout and the "logged out" layout, so I'm assuming that's supposed to be the default experience? I'm sure it would look better on a vertical screen (ie: a phone), but on desktop the amount of empty space is annoying.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia? The reading experience is pretty much the same aside from the issues with padding I already mentioned, so marginally worse unless the sidebar is open?
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions. I think collapsing the sidebar without adding extra padding to the right hand side of the page would be a better way to declutter the UI, but that might just look weird and asymmetrical. For what it's worth, I think a condensed view could be a good feature, but I don't think I would want it as the main option for reading the site. Outside of that, a dark mode of some kind would be nice, the sheer white of the normal theme is a bit much and I don't think most people want to make an account and set up a user theme just to change it. Best of luck on the redesign, and thanks for taking user feedback on it!
Nixinova
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Page CSS takes a second or two to load which is annoying. Mostly looks the same but with a prominent language button, which could be placed in a better position (sidebar would be good) since it pushes down the page icons and the infobox.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yep, very prominent language button, but maybe a bit too prominent.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Hamburger button, not exactly a revolutionary idea.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Sidebar is hidden by default which is probably better since your average reader has no idea what any of the links in the sidebar mean. Spacing does go a bit weird, though. Suggest removing max-width: 960px; from html[dir=ltr] body.vn-sidebar-collapsed .mw-body, it looks much better when it's full width.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
No different.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Maybe the search bar should be moved into the header next to the site logo, and given a modern redesign. html[dir=ltr] .vectorTabs li without the background gradient also looks much better.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The new prototype looks a little bit cleaner. I really like that you have the ability to switch the language and that the languages offered are organized by region. The logo looks more refined. But other than that, it looks almost identical to previous versions.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It's very easy to switch to another language. I think this new feature is splendid. Although the language button is a bit too big. Maybe place it in a less jarring position.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
No, it was very unintuitive. I think the collapsed sidebar menu looks very unappealing. The empty space on both sides of the page are really distracting and are a poor aesthetic choice.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Those who are logged out experience the collapsed sidebar view. I think this is unnecessary.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It's basically the same and I find the current page layout to be good.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
The ability to switch the language is really helpful. But all other changes are purely atheistic and, in my opinion, don't really need to be implemented. I really dislike the collapsed sidebar. Maybe consider stretching out the article so those empty spaces on either side aren't so prominent.
Sergeismart
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The proposed page layout looks pretty good.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I still can't figure it out (how to switch the article to another language).
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
If you mean to click (in order to collapse the main sidebar menu) on the square positioned in the top left corner of the page - yes, I figured it out. It looks pretty good.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The proposed logged-in - logged-out experience looks pretty good but the current one is also very fine with me.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Both the current as well as the proposed page layouts look pretty good.
jessamyn
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting?
font is smaller, and it's already too small for me on Wikipedia (and I enlarge it)
don't love the long list of wikiprojects down the left, though I can see its appeal to some
Don't understand the nomenclature. Page and read are... both selected? This seems to go against the current design thing (i.e. having two open "at once")
I'm using Firefox (most recent, on a mac) and I am getting weird spacing. Spacing below the tabs, spacing between top menu and content below it.
"hide" is gone from the table of contents (I assume this is because it's a prototype, but that's a mission-critical bit for me)
I like the star and lock icon to be at the page name, not below it.
"View source" is going to scare away people, "Edit" is more friendly. Wikipedia is already exclusionary enough,anything that makes it more techie is less inclusive. Tech people know what View source is and no one else does.
I have no idea what "interaction" is supposed to mean but I don't think static help pages are it and "About Wikipedia" is definitely not it. What does "Contact page" mean?
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Sure, upper right. I'm not sure what switching between languages is something an average user would want to do? I think it's a power-user thing and it has a lot of priority. And the pulldown? It's very non-web-like.Like there is a ton of white space and yet you have "simple Eng..." and not the whole word? And if I am browsing English Wikipedia, in my dream world there would be the names for those languages in English (and if I was browsing from a different language, then I'd expect it to be in that language. I feel like you need to make a choice and either have this be a long list with a prominent search, or something else. I searched for "french" and got zero results, that's not an expected result.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I clicked the hamburger menu in the upper left and ... the margins of both sides of the page went in, the whole page redrew slightly. If I just wanted to collapse the sidebar, I don't want it to do other things.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The sidebar went away? Awful. Getting rid of that other cruft in the upper right? Very good. I really believe this must look better on other browsers because the "Both margins shrink" behavior when collapsing sidebar and/or logging out can't be expected behavior.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
underlines are an important part of showing links for usability and they shouldn't go away,many people can't distinguish between blue and black.
I really don't want to see the long list of other wikistuff on the lower left, it seems very in-group-ish, like I am in someone else's club (and I've been editing here since 2005), I preferred to have language stuff there too because I only speak three languages at all and I only edit in one, I never need to see this option and I was happy to have it out of the way.
I really LIKE the lack of indentation on the lefthand nav area
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
This seems to be a move to making Wikipedia more clubby and less friendly to new or novice users or people just stopping by. It changes some pretty important UI elements in ways that are not more helpful or clearer and in fact are more insular. I appreciate that there is a focus on showing how worldwide the project is, but I think you need to ask a LOT of people who aren't the usual WP people because to me this is a step backwards.
Theanswertolifetheuniverseandeverything
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The layout overall is more spaced out and has more comfortable upper margins. For some reason, the Page, Talk, Search et al. links and gadgets still have the same visual design as in the old design.
When the sidebar is collapsed, I think the text could use some wider margins. It would be very helpful if these margins were in some fashion customizable.
I find it unnecessary that the "Move" option is hidden under "More", since it takes up the same amount of space. While I understand that rampant moving of articles is not desirable, the artificial hiding of this option through an unnecessary overflow menu is too reminiscent of so-called "dark patterns", and gives the design a worse feeling in my opinion.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, the button is very prominent and easily accessible. Imagine someone not speaking English, however - this person may not recognize the button at all. In the previous design, this was mitigated by havin links to a number of prominent languages with their native names. On wikipedia mobile, this is of course worse in some ways since some people may completely miss the language button. However, from that design we could port another useful feature: Displaying the article's name in the language next to the languages name in the language list.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, the hamburger menu is a well-established design pattern that I and many others easily recognize. However, to aid with recognizability, it might be a better idea to change the icon when the sidebar is expanded, for example, to an arrow to the left (as many applications using hamburger menus already do).
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The logged-out experience seems to remove all elements not available to logged-in users, which is a good thing in some sense. Some may find it desirable to encourage users creating accounts, but I think providing unavailable features with a prompt to log in is similar to the dark patterns discussed above.
However, the logged-out experience also hides the sidebar (and the logged-in experience then forgets if the sidebar was collapsed, a minor inconvenience at the moment) - a move which I find debatable. While the majority of links are not relevant to a random person simply reading an article, links such as the main page may still be relevant. Coupled with the (in my opinion desirably) minor prompts to log in, certain features may be hidden from such users indefinitely, regardless of their utility to their use case.
This, I think, is symptomatic of a larger problem which I will touch on later: The sidebar and top bar having confused prominences and function distributions.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Very easy, similar to the current Wikipedia experience. However, collapsable tables (especially the table of contents) as seen in the Wikipedia app and collapsable sections as seen in the mobile site aould be very convenient for many users (including me).
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
The sidebar and top toolbar's buttons and functions need to be reorganized. I see no reason for the search function, the language switcher, the talk page and the history tools should be on wildly different prominence levels. I suggest making a sidebar with the following: Search, Main Page, Navigation etc., and a top bar with Language, History, Discussion etc.. Replacing the "Move" button with an icon as is with the bookmark button may be a good way to mitigate the problem I previously mentioned.
The site often randomly scrolls about when clicking on links [bug].
I understand that one of the goals of this redesign is to not alienate existing users of Wikipedia, is that right? If that is the case, it may be the reason for the sidebar and toolbar configuration and the toolbar visuals.
Mitch Ames
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
First impression - I prefer MonoBook (which is more space efficient, allowing more article text on a given screen size), so I hope that will still be available. It's not obvious how much of the differences I see are because I'm comparing it to the MonoBook layout. Is it possible to get the prototype to work with other skins?
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Figured out: yes. Is it possible to make the search accent-insensitive? I typed "franc" to get "Français" but there are no results after I typed "c". (Yes it was there up to "fran", by I type faster than I read.) Note that I don't actually read or type other languages, so my comments may not apply to an actual Francophone. How often is changing languages done in practice? I think that function should be left "out of the way" with other utility functions on sidebar menu, rather than cluttering up the main part of the window. Alternatively, make it smaller, same size and location as username, "Sandbox, Preferences" etc on type right of screen.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I found it, but it's all wrong. The "button" looks like a "hamburger menu" so I expect a menu, not a toggle. It doesn't just collapse the sidebar menu - it makes the menu disappear but replaces it with whitespace, also on the right, so now only the middle half of my horizontal screen space is used. (Monitor is 1680x1050.) Perhaps I haven't found the "collapse sidebar" function at all.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The logout changes the view - this is just wrong. Logout should mean logout, not change view. Login/logout state should be independent of view (other than per-user settings such as skin, for example)
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
No obvious differences, other than the different skin. (But I primarily edit, rather than read.)
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
The ability to collapse/restore the sidebar menu and use the whole screen for the article would be useful. The current "remove the menu" is useless because instead of giving me more screen space for article text it gives me less.
Lereman
1. Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It looks like Wikipedia, which is always nice. But the left side feels too visually open, like I'm going to fall off on the left; obviously I'm not going to literally fall off, but it feels less visually framed than I would like. I don't feel confused. I love the links to other projects on the left, which looks like it could link to 'Moon' in Wiktionary, Wikiversity, Wikivoyage (awesome!) and so forth, and which would be absolutely wonderful as a standard feature in each WM page; and now as I look at current WP pages, I see that's already there, but it just looks easier to find in this newer version for some reason.
2. Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can figure out how to do it. I don't like the experience. It feels like I have to do a lot more scrolling than I want. I have to know the geographical location of a language to switch to it, which is not always something I know about every language I want to read in. I really don't like that the mouse-over text is just the name of language with no article title in the target language, since that's a feature I use all the time in Wikipedia for quickly translating words.
3. Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can figure out how to do it. I don't like the experience. I'm generally opposed to the current iconographic fad of using three horizontal lines to represent "more options." I also don't like that the menuless version feels like a mobile version and that it seems to have more or less fixed margins. I would not want to use the menuless version, even if I wanted to do nothing more than read a single complete article. But I do really like the idea of being able to remove the menu.
4. The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I don't notice much different between the logged-in and the logged-out experience, except perhaps a default menued interface when logged in and a default menuless interface when logged out. Obviously I can't see my watchlist or sandbox when logged out and similar stuff, but that's no different from now. If I'm right that the main difference is between default menued vs. default menuless, then I don't like it, because I would frequently want to use the menu while logged out, especially now that I've found the 'In Other Projects' section, so that would require an extra step on any computer in which I'm not logged in.
5. Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
If I'm using the menuless version, I don't like it, as I said before, because of the mostly fixed margins. If I'm using the menued version, then it's really not any different from the current experience once I get down the page.
6. Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I would hate to try to come up with a version of the site that pleased both mobile users and desktop users. I've been responding from my perspective as a desktop user. I think most WM accesses are from mobile users. So you probably shouldn't care about my feedback.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I did not immediately notice the differences.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Figured it out, but it could be clearer that the menu-thing provides a way to access the same topic in other-language Wikipedias. Not sure how to make it more explicit but still concise.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I figured it out, but wouldn’t have guessed it was a possibility without the question. I would have expected the hamburger button to open a menu (if I even took notice of it at all, given that the sidebar was right there). There was no sign that it was already open. Also, it seemed very slow to close, often taking 2–4 seconds to react. Opening happened more quickly.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I appreciate it having a maximum width. I thought for a while only the logged-out version had it (maybe I did the menu-closing in an unmaximized window), but eventually saw that closing the menu triggered it. Seems like it should be always active. Anyway, it’s too wide when there’s no sidebar or floating pics. I tried cutting it down from 960px to a rough guess of 660px and it was much nicer (also ideally I’d think it wouldn’t be px). At that width, the widest text was longer than ideal but OK, and the text next to the sidebar was narrow but within reason (like a newspaper column or wide phone).
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Seems the same: mostly fine. I discussed the max-width above. One thing worse than the current version: clicking a footnote link doesn’t highlight the footnote. Very confusing.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
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Andreibleortu747
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I feel like, while an incremental improvement, the redesign is much needed and looks nice. The Wikipedia logo on the top left corner looks really good and the slightly more generous spacing at the top of the page looks more modern and I prefer it. The contents of the sidebar are shuffled around and I can't find "Download as PDF" or "Printable version"
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, the button is quite obvious, but moving it to the sidebar may be a bit more clear for users. I like the fact that I can search for a language very much but I'd like to see my most used languages at the top of the list.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I could figure out how to do it, but I prefer the look of the sidebar. It's unclear, though, as I feel like the sandwich button would be expected to bring out a menu. Why not try changing that to an arrow?
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
OH. The (in my opinion) iconic sidebar is completely gone. Nonono. I don't like that.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I feel like the experience is similar, but still easy to use. I like it.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
The website retains its iconic look, but with a modern twist to it. I like it. But please keep the sidebar while I'm logged out. Solid 8/10
Lentower
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
See my comments at the end.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The "change language" button is hard to find. Move it to just below the "Globe WP The Free Encyclopedia" logo at the top of the column on the left. The button at the top of the page is an immense improvement to the current list of languages, as its very easy to find on the first view of a page.This change is a BAD IDEA. Why? With the proposed "change language" button, if a non-English reader clicks-thru to a Wikipedia page, they have no idea there might be translations. EITHER Move the present list of translations to the top of the column on the left, & have a way to collapse/uncollapse the list on a per-user basis, or for non-logged in users, per-session basis. OR Use the "[show]" / "[hide]" convention used on template bars. OR another way.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I had to hunt for it. The "square of rules" icon on most sites brings down a navigation menu. EITHER Move the icon underneath the "Globe WP The Free Encyclopedia" logo. OR Use the "[show]" / "[hide]" convention used on template bars.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think? OR another way.
Much more subtle than the current logout. Will be confusing to first time editors. EITHER Put up a pop-up sub-window. OR Add a bold Big banner across the top of the page filling the window width. It could go away on the next page displayed, including a refresh of the page just logged out from. For example (though adjust the type size to fit the window width): :You are logged out (Click to collapse this message)". OR another way.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Not much different.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
You should ask editors to compare the new design to the current Vector (default) skin design. And offer a link to a similarly formatted mockup of the current Vector design with no Preference changes in effect to make the comparison easier (so editors don't have to change their preferences). This encourages each of us to also have a fresh look at the current design. For editors who have used a non-vector skin for years, this should give you much fairer & fuller comparison feedback. You could provide both in separate scrollable windows in one browser window.
To the new mockup: add the "Page:" drop down menu next to the "More:" drop down menu and fully populate them both.
As the current Vector design does, make the "Globe WP The Free Encyclopedia" logo clickable to take you to the main page.
As the current Vector design does, add to the new mockup. both the "a Wikimedia project" and "Powered by MediaWiki" logos in the same place at the bottom right.
This redesign doesn't help new readers a lot. To be fair, the current design doesn't either.
This redesign is biased towards WP editors, not WP non-editing readers. I hope all readers are being asked to participate.
Ask new editors (anyone under 500 edits) and editors who haven't edited in three months, to take this survey on each editors' talk page. Would get fresher eyes to provide feedback.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
"Article in other languages available" in the top right corner? Okay, there it is more findable than on the left far down the list.
I want to click on the menu icon top left immediately.
The rest looks very familiar.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Spotted it in seconds. Just two clicks. Works fine. But the list looks incomplete. Had to type "Deutsch" to find this language. Scroll icon on the right is not enough to indicate that the list continues below the window. Scroll icon disappears? What is the category "Worldwide" ("Weltweit")? Why is German not listed there? Continuation of list below the window needs better indication.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Alright, that's what the menu icon is for. But this icon is commonly not used for this purpose. A "collape icon" would be the better fit.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Page without menus is the default state for logged out users? Why? Are there no menu entries that are useful for logged out users?
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Why is the table of contents no longer collapsible? It's quite large and I have to scroll down quite a bit to see the main part of the article. Why is the article so narrow on a large screen? Looks good, but I have to scroll more.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Summary:
List of languages window needs indication that the window does not contain all available languages, i.e. one can scroll down there quite a bit.
Find a better icon to indicate "collapse menus".
Make the table of contens collapsible again.
Pechristener
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting?
My first impression: It looks the same as before.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I found the switch fast and in a convenient location. The menu of the switch is some sort of confusing. It is too less dense and you have to scroll a lot.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Not a good idea. I was looking for a long time for this button and almost did not even find it. Maybe, I'm to old for this more mobile device style layout.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Can be ok. You lose all the inter wiki links when logged out. This may be ok, since maybe non-wikipedians are confused by all that stuff in the side bar menu.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Ok, it more cleaned up.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
In general ok, but that side menu button and the confusing language menu is not a good idea. A night mode would be helpful.
1. Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It doesn't look much different than before. The sidebar is smaller, which might be an issue for the visually impaired. Has the site been checked with an accessibility tool, (eg Pa11y at pa11y.org) ?
2. Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Couldn't find how to do it. I never do this IRL so I don't pay attention to what's missing or what I should have been looking for.
Update: found it (see below). It's a good approach, just showing the most common languages with a search option. You need a better margin under the last entry, it looks a bit sloppy.
3. Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I worked it out. It's okaay, but strange. Usually the 3-bar menu is a drop-down, not a toggle but at least you're displaying/hiding a menu with it. My initial approach to collapsing the sidebar was to try to hover the cursor over the vertical line, like you do in a spreadsheet. I doubt I would have ever thought of using the 3-bar menu to collapse the sidebar.
4. The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Oh. Just noticed the language button, but only because I looked closely in that corner. I wouldn't usually do that. But I see there are lots more menu options when you're logged in. *Shrug*
5. Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It was fine once I enlarged the text. I'm not visually impaired, but I do need glasses and it was uncomfortably small. Scaled up nicely using browser controls, so you get a good mark for that. I didn't notice much of a difference between this & regular Wikipedia.
Maybe it's a bit 'cleaner'.
6. Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Thank you for offering me the chance to review the page.
It's good that you're working towards improving the experience without making too radical a change. It's disheartening to users to have to hunt for once-familiar links on a developer's whim. People tend to choose the same path to complete a task once they've worked it out once; it can be frustrating when the familiar path disappears.
Magnus Manske
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Nice single-page "app" feeling. Good solution of tugging away the language links into a single, searchable box. Like that Wikidata is now in the "other projects" box (even though link doesn't work). Good switching "desktop/mobile" (collapsed sidebar) view, though "burger menu" has generally different associations (open options etc). Much functionality hidden in "mobile view".
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Easy to find and operate. Smooth transition. Might want to have the search (eg on English) find both "Deutsch" and "German", but not exactly critical.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Works fine, though more like switching desktop/mobile view.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Looks like "collapsed" view, without the "More" tab. Looks good.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
"Desktop view" is better than currently but still full width even on wide screen. Much better reading experience in "collapsed/mobile" view, but no sidebars.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Generally: good. Would like: automatic limit on article column width akin to "collapsed" view but with sidebars still visible. Possible pulling of floating infoboxes/thumbnails outside article as well. I experimented with something similar before (code, screenshot). --Magnus Manske (talk) 11:21, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
TruthToBeSpoken
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.
The design has a way more "modern" look to it as opposed to the current Wikipedia design, which is a good thing.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I'd still like to have quick access to the languages I use most in the side-bar on the left. Which in my case would be English, Dutch and Spanish.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Sure! Neat feature, allows for more text on small screens. I personally see no use for it as I have a pretty big screen on all of my devices.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The text part is becomes way smaller which I find very annyoing, because I now I have to scroll more and can have less text on my screen without clicking the "show sidebar knob."" The links in the side-bar are gone which prevents users without an account from easily accessing these.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The design looks nice, in my opinion a lot of space is wasted though by having less text on screen by making the part where there's text smaller.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Please make it so when the sidebar is hidden you can actually read the article the same way without it getting smaller so you have to scroll more, apart from that it looks awesome. -- TruthToBeSpoken(talk)16:22, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Pelagic
Initial impressions on a 10" high-dpi tablet
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
No dark, black, or buff modes? The mobile app has done a great job of getting these colour schemes right, when will we see that good work brought across to the browser?
Text is slightly larger than in normal Vector, it's no longer uncomfortably small on this size screen. (*thumbs-up*)
It is still smaller and tighter than Minerva, will be interesting to try this on a phone.
Large margins from the screenshots and of earlier commenters are gone. Wondering if this only happens when the viewport is less than a threshold width. Or are you actively iterating the design? Looking forward to testing this on a desktop computer where I can resize the window.
Margins are a little too narrow. I know we want to maximise screen real-estate, but it feels cramped.
The ‘A’ of the Wikipedia logo overlaps the head-and-shoulders icon next to the user name. Would like to see some more padding between these, and wrap user links to second row.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
So many questions about the new language selector, it's hard to know where to start.
The counter “226 languages” on the button / collapsed-state is brilliant. I'm monolingual, so I rarely care about other languages for straight reading purposes. But it is sometimes useful to see when an article has few or very many sitelinks in Wikidata. It also advertises “hey, we do many languages!” in a compact way.
At the moment I see some “worldwide” languages, a search box, and a settings cogwheel. How will this interact with location tracking? With babel boxes?
For example, on Data, I kept seeing Chinese and Italian, presumably because these are judged to be significant in Australia. I ended up adding a dummy babelbox with fr-0 and de-0.
If there are few languages for an article, will you just list those? How do you indicate to the user that there is no page in that language, as opposed to the search term not being a recognised language?
Visually, the alignment and styling of the collapsed state is a little inconsistency with some neighbouring elements (minor quibble, imagine this will be tweaked?).
How will wrapping of long titles look?
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The three-lines “burger” icon isn't a perfect symbol, but may be the best we have? It's common and well-understood. I already had an expectation that there would be a side-bar to expand (or that it would be collapsible if already showing), so I can't be sure how discoverable that would be for inexperienced users.
Text between the side-bar and infobox re-wraps nicely when expanding and collapsing.
Discussion and Read tabs push close together when expanding the side-bar. Could the search box be raised above the tabs? There is unused space between the user links and the tabs row. (Though above I mentioned wrapping the user links. Would need care with nesting and aligning block elements to make both work together.)
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Not seeing much difference. Is it just the default collapsed/expanded state of the sidebar? Will this be stored in a cookie, or some other mechanism?
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Improvement on tablet compared to current Vector layout. If focus is reading, the sidebar items are better hidden until needed. For purely reading articles and not editing or commenting, I'd use the app or Minerva. (But rarely do I just read articles, so I'm always dropping back to desktop view with Vector or Timeless skin.) Timeless is still great, but I'm concerned how well it will continue to work with ongoing platform changes. (Yes, my “current experience on Wikipedia” does encompass all those things.)
Long pages are still unwieldy. Collapsible headings? ToC in a sidebar? The latter would clash with the existing sidebar.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Seeing some rendering glitches on the French demo that I didn't on English. Possibly because French words and phrases are longer than their English equivalents and some elements are smooshing up against each other?
At this stage I've only read a small proportion of the feedback comments above, but:
A lot of people don't seem to realise that the choice of text for the tabs Page/Discussion versus Article/Talk is configured separately per wiki. If the call for feedback was targeting Wikipedia users specifically, perhaps it would have been better to use the status quo labels from en-wp (and fr-wp, etc.).
Also several commenters don't seem to realise that View Source = Edit.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. ... What do you think of this experience?
After reading comments about text jumping around and content area being narrower, I was prepared to hate this when I saw it in a full-size browser window. If somebody wants to make their text lines ridiculously long then why not let them? But on the other hand I have a vague memory of some mobile browsers doing unpleasant scaling voodoo for viewports wider than a certain size? Is there a compatibility issue here?
Anyway, viewed on its own, the constrained-width view has its own kind of logic. To me it's less like hiding the side bar and more like entering a browser's Reading View.
But the transition and icononography doesn't communicate this. Do we need two separate controls? One for full-width / constrained-width / (maybe even) two-column layout, and a second for show/hide sidebar?
Alternately, the icon for entering narrow view could be more like ›[]‹, and to expand like ⋮[ ].
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
If the main content is limited to a max width, then the header shouldn't overhang that.
Demo not usable on plus-size phone. Normal desktop site suffers from tiny text in this environment, but it does lay-out as expected. Pelagic (talk) 05:05, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
UserNotLinkedToOthers
Please add dark theme. It is on mobile, but not desktop. I know someone else has already said this, but I want to back them up and say: We need dark theme. Also, I would like the design of Wikipedia to be 'modernised' in general because it seems slightly dated. The same does not apply to the editor, however, which seems easy-to-use using visual edits. In general, most of the recommendations I have have already been requested, and I have very little criticism of Wikipedia except the few design tweaks that could be made.
--UserNotLinkedToOthers (talk) 17:13, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ceasharks
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I find the prototype not very different from the current design.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I find the translation menu a bit had to navigate but the sorting by location is very good.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I figured it out but I would find it better to start with the sidebar gone possibly as a setting.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I like the logged out view more as it has the sidebar already gone.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It dos not look very different from how Wikipedia looks now but it still works well.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
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Nasratullah Faqiri
I would like to congratulate the Wikipedia family for such a good step, my opinion on this project is:
A Switchable Dark Theme Button.
Increased Default Font Size.
Create A Specific Bar For The Talk, Sandbox, Preferences, Beta... Links.
Make The Reference Area Minimized By Default To Save Scroll Time.
Other Changes Were Great And Thanks.
Lucamauri
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
No, everything looks quite familiar. Just some minor aesthetic changes I notice do not impact the user experience.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
This is very easy to do once you notice the upper right button. Users might be disoriented about the move from the bottom end of the menu on the left.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I was unable to find a way to do so.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The mobile version of the site is loaded after logoff. This looks puzzling to me.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I don't see any substantial changes
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
As far as I can see from this prototype there are just minor changes to the layout of the pages. Frankly it doesn't look anything noteworthy, at first sight and at this stage
Your username (or "Anon")
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The three-line menu symbol reminds me of mobile design. I don't know whether the "In other projects" section in the sidebar is a new thing, but reading a list of words that all begin with 'Wiki' is difficult. I suppose most pages/articles won't be in that many other projects.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I noticed the languages section in the sidebar was missing, so I looked around for it and it was in the next place I expected it to be. However, if I wasn't explicitly tasked with looking for it somewhere else, I would have assumed the lack of sidebar language list would mean it doesn't exist in other languages. Grouping the languages by region is an interesting choice, but I don't know what the use case is. I don't think it makes sense to have probably relatively little-used conlangs at the top of the list.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Oh, the three-line menu symbol is the collapse sidebar button. When I was testing it out, I assumed it would open a menu and the functionality wasn't included yet. I thought the sidebar disappearing was a glitch.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
One of my favorite thing about wikis is that they almost always have a Random Page button on the side. Maybe I'd try clicking the menu button and the functionality I desire would be revealed, but without that, the thing I used most as a non-editing Wikipedia visitor is hidden.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I don't notice any differences.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I hope the readers benefit most from any changes. Anon
Margin1522
I liked being able to close the menu pane on the left. The hamburger symbol is pretty much universally recognized as a menu button so it should be fine. The idea of a languages button is also OK. It's common for multilingual sites to have a language button somewhere in the upper right. But I don't know if it needs to be on the same line as the article title. That seems kind of cluttered. It can't be before the user name, like on this page? Someone mentioned that the 文 symbol was hard to understand. I know Japanese so I recognized it immediately, but other people won't. Does it look a bit like a star? I might suggest using the Japanese hiragana あ instead. It might look more like a syllabic character to people who don't know what it means, and it's a good match for "A" because it's also a character for the sound "a". Plus I think it just looks nice in itself. (Especially in a brush font, for example the file "Japanese_Hiragana_kyokashotai_A.svg" at Commons.) About the function, normally the only other languages that I need are French, German, and Japanese, and finding those was way too hard. Margin1522 (talk) 05:14, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Anon
collapsing the left menu is good. not as good as timeless. default collapsing while logged out is interesting. do you want to hide menus from new users? moving language links to upper right. is interesting is that a prominent task? toc is a little long with no collapse. interesting attempt at minor changes to skin. Rangenixon (talk) 12:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Avelludo
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
First and foremost, there was a FOUT; then, most of the style loaded, but the content itself didn't, making it look like an empty article. Finally, the article itself loaded. Now, I realize this is a prototype, but I think one of the amazing things about the regular Wikipedia is that that doesn't happen. Now, call me old fashion, but one thing I miss on this prototype is the big Wikipedia logo on the corner; the smaller one just isn't as appealing to me.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I've used the mobile website and the app, and the switching language button on the prototype seems similar to those. I had no trouble finding it or understanding how to use it.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can, and I believe the button to do so is very intuitive, considering the current web design standards. About the closed menu, I love the `max-width` on the article content. That is a style I have been using personally for a long time now, and that I think should apply at all times (i.e. with the menu open as well). Most screens nowadays are very wide, which in turn creates very long lines of text to read.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I'm not sure I'm onboard with the closed-by-default menu state when logged-out. I understand the reasoning behind it being "make it less confusing with less visual clutter", but I get the feeling that it makes Wikipedia seem empty or hollow almost. The open menu feels like an anchor, where it doesn't matter what article you're on, you know you're on Wikipedia, and you know how to go somewhere else.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
On a norrower browser window, the section "Earth–Moon system" becomes an issue: there's a to-scale image which is wider than the screen size. This creates an overflow on the entire article that bothers me a bit, in which you can scroll right and get an almost entirely blank screen simply because somewhere on the page there's a wide image. This isn't an issue on the prototype itself, as I'm pretty sure it happens on regular Wikipedia as well, but it is a layout issue, so I thought it was worth mentioning. I believe making the overflow image-only or perhaps section only would be better.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I think I covered everything: the translation button is fine, the menu is fine, I think `max-width` should always apply and I dislike the entire article having a horizontal overflow due to a single image. In any case, I love Wikipedia and I think you guys do an amazing job!
stjn
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
I notice hamburger menu, which is a recognised UI and UX anti-pattern. I notice decreased logo size and, at the same time, increased header size, which is not something that makes much sense, but is not something really bad either. I notice that indicators have gone further down and that fact wasn’t accounted for in the prototype (there can be a lot of text and even links where the indicators are, which seems like it will be clashing with the layout). stjn (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can figure this out. But as someone who switches between language versions quite a bit, I really hate the fact that it is increasingly more and more hard to switch between the language versions in an easy fashion, both logged in and anonymously. This change will represent another complication of that, so I would viscerally hate it if the day comes when it gets implemented. I already have to keep custom CSS that would turn off hiding of interwiki links, this, however, looks like it would be impossible to stop. P. S. There’s also a question of where this new language switcher would be on a main page, which throws a wrench into the whole design. stjn (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can figure this out. I don’t see why that is needed, though. It seems like the sort of a feature that only designers on Dribbble will be impressed by. Sure, sidebar links are probably not all that useful to non-editors, but that is not really a good methodology for investing time into making such changes to the interface. stjn (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I notice that it is the intention to enable sidebar-less experience for all viewers, and, it seems like, fix the content width for them, too. I have no issues with fixing the content width, but it seems like some kind of cowardice was involved in making this sort of prototype. Designers are, quite obviously, rightly afraid to push fixed width on editors, so they provide this customisability, where people who don’t want fixed width can turn it off and most of the folks that aren’t editing will see fixed width. But this is, from experience, entirely wrong approach to making such a change. The most apparent problem with things like these is that editors should not, under any circumstances, have a wildly different experience from our readers. Otherwise, they will design the content for themselves, while neglecting the issues that they produce for those with differing experience from theirs. This is already the case with the mobile version: you can frequently hear from the folks that prefer to only write content that it is not their fault that there are people using mobile version, that mobile version quirks should not matter to how they write their content, that they just use the desktop version and everyone should do it, too, etc. You don’t fix this sort of relationship by introducing another set of users’ experiences to neglect by those in ivory towers. You fix it by gradually making the experiences of everyone, readers and editors, as one and the same as possible, however impossible it might be. And trust me, I know how hard it is, which is why I understand why that sort of direction wasn’t picked. stjn (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It’s obviously better to have fixed width layout for reading text. Given all the layout peculiarities that exist in the real world of Wikipedia, and not in Moon article, I am kind of sceptical that this change will bring more good than harm. Especially given that editors will certainly not use their interface like this and will not check any layout in it, as I mentioned before. stjn (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I don’t have much to say other than, as it stands, I don’t see any coherent vision in doing changes like these. It is like putting a fancy ribbon on a dead horse: sure, the ribbon might look nice, but the horse still looks bad. And in this case, I am not even sure that all of these changes make Vector all that more appealing. I think, in all honesty, that this project would have a lot more positive impact if WMF designers owned up to doing something good and revolutionary, something that would give the modern experience on desktop for all those who want it, rather than propose something half-baked and evolutionary. stjn (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ajuanca
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
It looks nice, but there's some strange mix between old style and new style, for example in the language button (round corners) and the table (squared corners)
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Better implementation of the language selector. Nice!
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Good implementation for optimizing space.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Not much difference.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Great job!
Stryn
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
First thing that I see is the logo. It looks bad, maybe the background should not be white (or so light at least; better would be more grey)?
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It looks like "change the language" of article, someone can think they are all just translations of the article and not different wikis.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can figure it out, but why I would want to hide it all? I often need recent changes. Better would be to make it possible to choose what links you want to see in the sidebar. Make it editable for all users.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The sidebar is hidden by default. Maybe I'm fine with that, but then please make the search bar bigger so people actually know how to find other articles. I feel anons use a lot the "random page" button.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
At least it feels like there is more space, so hides the content that a reader doesn't need.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I would like to see the top bar (logo, user info) always shown on top, even if you scroll down.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Where are the links I need?? Community Portal to find stuff for editing and elections, Random Page (yes!) so that I can quickly find a page to explain to people what a Wikipedia article is and where to find the "cite this page" link! Where are the interwiki links to other languages? That's how I translate stuff, look it up in the language I know the term and then switch over to the target language Wikipedia. Where's the button to fold back that terribly long ToC? Collapse the navigation boxes at the bottom, I can open them if I need them (usually not). Categories? Where are my categories?? There is a terrible delay after clicking on a link before there is a reaction.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It took me a while to find it. And then: WTF? Why is this ordered by "continents"? Only a North American could come up with this! Russia is in Europe and Asia. Okay, it's listed both places, but that causes a LOT of bloat. Languages and geography do NOT mix! Why is føroyskt considered Europe and Icelandic is where? The alphabetical sorting in blocks without a visual line between the blocks is very confusing. I can't even search inside the box, the browser searches in the article.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Yes, that was easy to figure out, but why would I want to do that? I only have to click again to get it back and I need it.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Couldn't figure out how do do this. I don't see a "log out" link.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It is still the toilet paper roll that we normally have. I've learned how to read this, so it's not broken. But maybe something that reformats itself into pages the size of my screen? I don't dare open this on a mobile device.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Is there a button for increasing the font size, or do people who have trouble reading have to increase it on their browsers? The hamburger menu next to the globe is a bit jarring. Why is Wikidata in twice, once as an item and once as another project?
P.S. If you make dark mode DON'T make it default, make it something one can select in a setting! It is terribly hard for us older folks to read. Brilliant for those reading in the dark, unreadable for those with weaker eyes. We need contrast!
secretlondon
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The three bars just removes the side bar, without expanding the page. Wikipedia logo is smaller. Links are going to part way down an article rather than the top.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I can see the 226 languages but the initial options are unhelpful. I can see that we might want to prioritise some languages over others - but oddities like interlingua shouldn't be the ones. Can we prioritise languages spoken in the country/timezone set in preferences? I think for someone in the UK (timezone Europe/London) Welsh, Gaelic and Scots should be in the top list. We can have French, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian too - but not all the constructed languages. As I'm Europe then maybe give me Europe next, rather than America.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I found this by wondering what the three bars did. I didn't expect it to do that - I was expecting a menu. It didn't expand to fill the gap so it was a bit pointless (I'm using Safari if it's not doing this for everyone)
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Removes the project sidebar, but just kept it as white. It's a waste of screen space. Maybe the title and Wikipedia logo should be more prominent.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I was expecting the box on the right to be bigger. I find reading on mobile easier - this is a lot of text and photos which seem pretty similar. It's very long and the text is quite small.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
How does it print and save? How do people use desktop wikipedia anyway?
User:PoetVeches
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Not sure it is for good,
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Not sure
Anon 06
2. Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Not a fan at all, sorry. The placement / discoverability is fine, but the UX of the new widget that forces me to switch to the keyboard and search for my language is very frustrating.
99% of information in that widget is irrelevant to me, yet you're now forcing me to deal with. Whereas with the old design, I could just (mentally) ignore all the languages I'm not looking for, hone in right on the one I want, and click. Now it would take me at least one click to open the menu, switch to keyboard and type, and another click to select. I switch languages all the time, and this is so infuriating to use that I would probably code a Chrome extension to get the old plain language list back if this change was rolled out like that. The grouping by region makes it worse. It's just not something I want to even remotely think about when I'm trying to switch a language. Users that regularly switch between several languages they speak know exactly where to find their target language in a long, single-column, alphabetical list. A list like that is trivial to visually scan - as long as you keep it dead simple. But if you break it up by introducing grouping, columns, need for scrolling, you're absolutely killing the UX.
Apart from that, I like the changes in the prototype overall.
Peter
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Contents takes up too much vertical space.
Info box should be pushed down. Most important thing to show on laptop screen are first paragraphs of article. Perhaps the picture should be in upper right but not all those statistics.
Tags on top should be justified with right edge of article. Why that white strip on right throughout?
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Switch to other language should only change text of article, and not labels on top, which should follow the portal through which the article is accessed. Sometimes people want to check text in other languages to check if it has better content, but not change entire navigation experience. Make the names of languages be in the language of the portal so people who know the language of the portal know what they are.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Sidebar menu should be collapsed by default or eliminated altogether. A single link to the Wikipedia homepage should suffice.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Didn't notice a difference besides fewer tags.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
I see little difference.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Consider aligning text in columns - like the old printed encyclopedias.
Change "enlarge" button on pictures to look more like the +- magnifying glass icon most sites use.
SUM1
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The initial impressions are that it's hardly any different. The shrinking of the logo seemed interesting.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
It is clear that this is much easier in this format, however the button seems out of place in its location. I think the fact it's a big button is fine, I just think it better belongs in the sidebar. One thing about the current (non-prototype) format is that it's hard to scroll down tonnes of languages to find the one you want.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I was expecting that button to open a new sidebar, because it's situated on the left. This is not intuitive at all. For an open sidebar, the 3-horizontal-line button belongs on the outside of the sidebar, not the inside. I've also never, ever wanted to collapse this sidebar, though I can see why someone might want to. I would want a small triangle arrow pointing left to close the sidebar, not the 3-horizontal-line button on the inside.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I've no idea why it does that. No idea at all. If you're suggesting logging out removes the sidebar (by default), then I'm strongly against this.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It's hardly any different when it comes to reading an actual article.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
If anything, I were hoping a new layout for Wikipedia would involve some smoother buttons or softer edges (like those of the search bar and "Read", "Edit" and "View history"), and perhaps replacement of the eyesore blue links with some minimalistic buttons that do the same function. The text of some of these "buttons", like those in the top-right corner, could be made slightly larger and include icons like most modern websites (like Quora or LinkedIn or something) rather than size 12 Arial. Talk pages should not be renamed to Discussion pages without widespread consensus.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
There is no large difference.
I guess that the absence of a "page edit" link is due to this being a test, right? Otherwise it is a huge miss (this is a wiki,...), as I can only see section edit links, meaning I can not edit the lead, without tweaking an address. (Or it is there and I can not find it?)
I do not like categories much, but since they exist, shouldn't they be displayed someplace? (Or it is there and I can not find it?)
The, rather large, navigation templates are not collapsed, but maybe that is some customisation on my side (on enWP, which obviously does not work here).
I think section numbers make it easier to both write and read, allowing a quick sense of "where am I on the article?". The index has numbers but the article does not. (Or are they there and I can not find them?)
Seen on a not-so-wide-yet-not-really-narrow widow, the logo on the top left gets above my user name (or "notadog"'s user name :)
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Finding, easy. Using the menu, weird... The sort order is non-standard, by line the by row then by "group". I am OK with the "strange" scripts (if I do not understand the script I definitely do not want that language...). Also, if "português" is on the top as worlwide language, is it needed to repeat it on every other section? Probably not, and it would slightly reduce the menu size.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I couldn't, until you asked, and after I looked at the not-so-good logo (Hey! It was useful! :) Having a clean screen looks good, more so for reading. But the button itself is not working for me if I have a narrow widow, and on first use the margins were huge on a wide window, that is, it is fine, but need improvement.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
Looks the same at first...
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
There is no large difference.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
There is no large difference. Assuming that removing a "edit" link and categories is a bug in the test. Otherwise, removing a edit link is unacceptable in a wiki.
Pythoncoder
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The changes I immediately noticed were the collapsible sidebar / hamburger menu and the language switcher move.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I like the new position of the language switcher. It’s very nondisruptive and makes its functionality easier to find for readers.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Hamburgers belong on my plate, not on Wikipedia. We should not be dumbing down the desktop experience so it looks like mobile. I found this link from elsewhere on the page especially relevant: [1]
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I noticed that logged-out users have the sidebar collapsed by default, while logged-in users have the sidebar expanded. See above for my comments on why hamburger menus must die.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Not all that different from the status quo as a native English speaker, but see above about the language switcher.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
1) I would appreciate if the "Tools" section of the sidebar was moved to the "tab" section of the page (which contains the talk, edit, history, buttons), since many gadgets put their "Tools"-like functions there anyway. 2) Will there be any changes to the search bar? 3) I don't see much point in shrinking the logo if it won’t be accompanied by a floating toolbar. 4) PLEASE NO HAMBURGER MENUS. — pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 22:04, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
The Wikipedia-Logo needs to stay big and prominent. It is the essential core of the brand Wikipedia.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
A lot of people are used to where the language switch is now – so it should only be moved when it's part of a bigger change. Even more important: The language-links and the "In other projects" links belong together! Splitting them up might hurt the smaller projects because people will notice them even more rarer.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
I think it isn't at all intuitive the way it is in the current prototype. I expect a menu to open when clicking the "burger" icon. Not something to dissapear not things to move. The position of the icon is weird and doesn't feel connected with the sidebar.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
The side boarder looks very broken. The top bar seems to be disconnected of the rest.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
Reducing the optical noise for the reader is important and good. Therefore I like the idea of showing the sidebar only if toggled. But the current prototype makes it even worse for the things that are the most important ones: the buttons for talk-page, edit mode and version history. These must become better visible! In workshops or when talking with random people I often hear that most readers use Wikipedia for years and very intensive but have never noticed these buttons – they are then very suprissed that these features even exist. Therefore we have zero chance to get them to become editors, since they don't realize that they actually can edit a page.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Making pages smaller for readers can be a good idea, but I think that it is too small.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The Languages button can be usefull for the reader, but I will enable it only with this view, and not with the normal (not-collapsed) one.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
This collapsed view is usefull for the readers, not for the contributors. A pearson that open Wiki* every day can figure it out, but a normal reader won't.
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
It is perfect for readers. Some users patrol/create articles without logging in: the software should memorize which mode a pearson used last time.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
It is better, but the layout is smaller.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
This prototype is readers-friendly but not contributors-friendly.
Ideas/Suggestions
Layout suggestions: I will keep the sidebar, and only add the same space [that the sidebar uses] on the right.
Functionality suggestions: I will make the software able to memorize the last view choosen by the device(if not logged in)/user. I will disable the language button when the collapsed mode is disabled. I will enable the collapsed mode only in the namespace 0 (main)
thoughts/questions
Navbar are too big! The upper part, or only the button to change view, should be static (move up and down)
On the scrennshot the layout seems bigger. I see it smaller because I'm on Windows/because of my laptop, or because you risized it?--ValeJappo (talk) 18:06, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Take a minute to look around. What are some of your initial impressions? Do you find anything confusing? Convenient? Particularly interesting? (Keep in mind that since this is a prototype some of the links might not work, and there might be other bugs or quirks that you’ll come across.)
Quite bad, the spaces left from the collapsing of the sidebar are very bad.
Imagine you wanted to switch the article to another language. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
Click on the selector on top right.
Imagine you wanted to collapse the main sidebar menu. Can you figure out how to do so? What do you think of this experience?
The hamburger menu...
The logged-out experience is slightly different. Please click the “Log out” link in the top corner. What do you notice that’s different from the logged-in experience? What do you think?
I have the sidebar immediatly, then I have the move button.
Imagine your main objective is reading an article. What do you think of page layout and the reading experience? How does it compare with the current experience on Wikipedia?
The reading experience is the same, the global experience is worse and it's better now.
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
(your feedback here)
Daniele Pugliesi
Please add any final thoughts, ideas, or questions.
I think we have to add an exclamation mark on the top right of the page to give easier access to help content. In fact, most of software have help content in this position, while in Wikimedia interface the "Help" link is difficult to see at the first time. New contributors need to find easily help pages. --Daniele Pugliesi (talk) 11:47, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I found 
It could be available among the options for registered contributors.
