Module talk:Template translation/Flow

I've removed this from {{delete}} and {{MediaWiki Sites}} and I re-marked them for translation. Looks like they still work, and the translated versions of translatable pages that transclude them looks correctly after purging.

Am I missing anything?

Or can it really be removed from any template that is marked for translation and uses translation-aware transclusion?

Some templates use this to render using the interface language rather than the page language. {{delete}} previously did that prior to your edit. But otherwise that principle is correct.

I think that I tested it and the Delete template didn't do it with the interface language, although I might be wrong. Do any other templates do it?

Probably because translation-aware transclusion was already enabled, preventing the hack from running. And there are plenty of pages using the interface language

For translation-aware transclusion to work, two things are needed:

• Obviously, the template needs to use the Translate extension (and needs to have already been marked for translation – pages that have been prepared but not yet marked for translation don’t have translation-aware transclusion).
• The desired outcome needs to be that the template is transcluded in the page content language.
  • No usage of interface language.
  • No |lang= parameter to allow overriding the language.
  • The page content language needs to be properly set. Translate does this if the transcluding page uses Translate, but e.g. Sites using MediaWiki/hu doesn’t – and shouldn’t – use Translate, and its page content language is left at the default of English.

I’d love to see this module being used as little as possible, but I don’t think completely getting rid of it is possible (even in the longer term), due to pages like MediaWiki (interface language transclusion) or Sites using MediaWiki/hu (non-Extension:Translate language subpages).

@Tacsipacsi, thanks for the detailed response, and for reverting my wrong edit there. I agree with everything.

I'm trying to use TNTN to include a translatable template in another template here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:Documentation/Calc_Functions/COUP_Functions_Arguments

MW version is 1.39.

I also tried this in a MW docker locally and while Scribunto itself works, I can't get the module to work. In my docker, it returns

{{ {{#if:|{{{template}}}|Documentation/Calc_Functions/FinancialFunction_Basis}} }}

I see no issue on wiki.documentfoundation.org except that there’s no output because you (accidentally?) put the whole template in <noinclude>. However, I see no reason to use this legacy template there in the first place – you could just take advantage of translation-aware transclusion, and simply write {{Documentation/Calc Functions/FinancialFunction Basis}}, which automatically transcludes the template in the right language.

Thanks a lot, that was indeed a costly mistake.

In my tests the transclusion was not working as expected, so I thought I need to use that module. Now I see everything is working, though. The waste of time is unfortunate, but I'm happy it works now.

Actually translation-aware transclusion looks pretty broken until the page is actually marked for translation, so it’s not your fault, but rather a software limitation. Anyways, you’re welcome.

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T258756

- palliative solution is ok ; thanks all.

French translations have been done for this page but corresponding page "Module:Template_translation/doc/fr" has not been created neither appear in the list of languages (always only 3 remain)

https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Translations:Module:Template_translation/doc/1/fr&action=history

Christian 🇫🇷 FR (talk) 09:45, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

This is already tracked in T258756.

I've applied a workaround to get the translations to show up.