Flow/Prior discussion-thread-roundup
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A brief roundup I made, whilst re-reading through the archives.
[Note: This is partially for my own benefit, so that I can find things easily without having to search 2 wikis and multiple subpages; and partially for the community's benefit, to prove that I am actually passing these ideas along to the devs!
However, a lot of my job seems to consist of communicating these issues via: email, webcam-meetings, IRC, bugzilla, and mingle cards, so it's not always going to be obvious that I've passed along specific details. I won't promise to keep this list uptodate and canonical, especially because most of these threads are about the pre-pre-pre-prototypes and abstract notes and other confusion. I will be doing my damnedest in the background though, to read everything twice, and nudge the crucial/critical/interesting details along to where they're needed and will be seen. I have been doing so for the past few weeks, and will (hopefully) continue for the next few months/years!] –Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 20:49, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Some lists of Discussions about...
[edit]Design Density (horizontal (fixedwidth) and vertical (padding))
[edit]- New skin idea
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 5#Too much chrome
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#Pre-impressions and questions .2B analysis
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#Space taken up by a single-line reply
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Interactive prototype#Tighten the vertical
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Flow is too tall
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/Header prominence
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/Flow wastes too much space (2)
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/My two cents
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/Interface wastes to much space, doesn't fit into Wikipedia
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/Too much stuff?
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/lnteractive Prototype/Problems with the spacing
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/lnteractive Prototype/Looks great
- Modern? -- "This system doesn't look very "modern" to me at all! Over half of my 1920 by 1200 monitor is filled with nothing but white space" Sep 2014
- On design for one-line messages.. more compact... Sep 2014
- RTL support? -- "The spacing between the replays is way too big, makes it hard to follow long and ongoing discussions that has many users involved in them. (constantly need to scroll the screen up and down)." Aug 2014
- Huge headers 21 Aug 2014
- Needs some refinement 28 May 2014
- Readability 20 Jun 2014
- please make the interface more compact 20 Jul 2014
- w:User:TheDJ/flowidth
- phab:T88114
Indenting Levels
[edit]- en:User:Hhhippo/Flow/Compact nesting
- Threading
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 8#Nesting
- Thread structure of Flow needs improvement
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 6#Request for your feedback: Let's talk about nesting! <-- This one in particular
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1#Indenting in the new system
- Threading 02 May 2014
- Threading 12 Jun 2014
- Multiple threading levels 07 Mar 2014
- Thread structure of Flow needs improvement 05 Mar 2014
- bug 59230 - missing thread depth setting
- Post-April 2015 change
Table Of Contents / Collapsing Threads
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Design FAQ#Table of Contents & sort order
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 6#Please provide indexing "table-of-contents"-like functionality
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3#Feature requests
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow/Auto-archiving/reply (54)
- Contents table 19 Jun 2014
- Where's the table of contents? 17 Jun 2014
- Needs some refinement 28 May 2014
- Table of content 21 May 2014
Thread Order
[edit]- w:User:Hhhippo/Flow/TOC and filters
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Why the reordering of topic discussions?
Interface Wording
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4#Copy on interface elements
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4#Sugar and spice and everything WP:CIVIL
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#Instructions with each reply
Post Layout
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#Prototype has a very strong emphasis on author.2C not on message
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#Prototype has a strong emphasis on when a post was made
Design Terminology (Board Vs Talk)
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#A note: board versus talk versus flow versus Cygnus X-1
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1#.22Board.22 versus .22Talk.22
Conflicting Permissions (cross-board, cross-wiki)
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3#Blocked users
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#What I would like to see
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1#Page protection
Editing Someone Else's Post - Permissions
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 5#Editing the comments of others
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4#Down The Rabbit Hole Once Again
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3#Survey: who should be allowed to edit another person.27s article talk page comments.3F
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#Implementing the results of the RfC
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#I can call spirits from the vasty deep
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1#Editing comments by other people
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow/Comments protection
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/lnteractive Prototype/Editing?
Post Moderation
[edit]Deleting comments
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3#Deletion
- Deleting a comment? 28 Jan 2014
- Deleting own replies? 11 Jan 2014
Other
[edit]- The DOs and DONTs of moderation in Flow (see also the talk page)
- Thoughts on moderation in Flow 21 August 2014
Concerns about access to viewing or editing others' posts
[edit]- Violation of the free editing Wiki principle
- How to edit my previous IP messages ?
- How do I see and copy the wikitext of another person's comment?
- No way to undo header vandalism
- Editing all comments
- Accidental anonymous logins
- [1]
- >Sorry, I should have been clearer. By default, Flow lets you edit your own comments,
- >and lets admins edit all comments, just like typical forum conventions. It
- >just doesn't let everyone edit everything.
- But that's not how wikis work. On other platforms that do support such editing at all, users edit their own articles, and their own comments, with only moderators trusted to change them. But on wikis, the users are also the moderators. This applies to content and comments, and admins are only required where things can become sensitive (where concerns of privacy, site stability, or simply dangerous tools in terms of vandalism come into play). Why the sudden divergence that only admins can be mods here? Discussions aren't sensitive.
- This sort of thing is a large part of why some of us are so skeptical of Flow currently - if the designers do not even understand the basic principles behind a wiki, how can what is developed possibly suit our needs?
Archives
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow#May I assume that this annoyance will disappear under Flow?
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#What.27s going to happen to old talk pages?
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1#Conversion of old discussions
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow/Auto-archiving
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Existing pages and FLOW
Bots
[edit]- Note: Bots already use the API, so many updates should be easy. Notes for that, and for edge cases, and related suggestions are here:
- https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/flow/cards/74 (All Flow actions and information available via API )
- mw:Flow Portal/Bots
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow/Auto-archiving/reply (8) and Thread:Talk:Flow/Auto-archiving/reply (38) suggest "sticky" posts
Search and infinite scroll
[edit]- mw:Talk:Flow Infinite scroll is seriously annoying
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Design FAQ#More thoughts on infinite scrolling
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 7#Report on Infinite scrolling
- w:Wikipedia:Flow/FAQ#Components of the discussion system
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow#Report on Infinite scrolling
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 6#Please provide indexing "table-of-contents"-like functionality
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Design FAQ#Infinite scrolling vs Table of Contents
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Design FAQ#Table of Contents .26 sort order
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4#User "expectations" and long-term data
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3#Scrolling and lazy-loading
about search:
- Search functionality?! 26 Aug 2014
- Search box? 01 Feb 2014
- So how do I search? 17 Jan 2014
- Flow/Functional Specifications/Search and Filter
Edit Conflicts
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4#Brewer’s Conjecture
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4#No edit conflicts.3F
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#How would edit conflicts be prevented.3F
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow/Is anyone in the process of responding?
Scratchpads
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#Handling complex stuff
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Unstructered section vs. Unstructured sections (plural!)
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Subpage scratchpads?
Splitting Threads
[edit]Accessibility (Incl. javascript concerns)
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow#Minimum requirements for Flow
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1#Flow and the visually impaired.
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Accessibility: JavaScript, screen readers, slow connections, etc.
- no js topic menu is missing
- Idea's OK, but there are usability problems
- JavaScriptless Flow takes to topic title edit box when I'd like to edit my own message
- JavaScriptless Flow does not allow listing back
Workflows
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 5#Discussion structures
- mw:Talk:Requests for comment/Workflow
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#The Cathedral and the Bazaar
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1#What Flow actually is
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Workflows
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow/Numbered lists
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Talkpagespace using administrative processes
- Tech notes:
- Scratchpad list: m:Workflows
Voting
[edit]Tags
[edit]- wikimedia-l thread - To Flow or not to Flow
- Topic tagging
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Thread tags
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow/Auto-archiving
- Flow/Basic information#Tags (Old brainstorming)
Multitopic
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1#Comparison of old and planned user-talk discussion systems
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1#Some practical questions
- w:Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 108#WMF intends for Only VisualEditor to be usable on Talk pages.
- w:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 112#Concerns with Flow
- w:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 114#New Version of the Flow Prototype Released
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Warning levels detection
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/I liked it a lot - here's why
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/Visuals in updated prototype - anywhere close to final FLOW?/reply (2)
Why Do We Need It
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4#What is Flow.3F
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1#A bit dubious
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Community consent?
Community engagement
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 5#Community engagement strategy
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 4#Older Announcements
Wikitext Vs. Visualeditor
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3#Supported Wikitext - Examples/Conclusion
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3#Mathematics under Flow
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 3#Javascript.3F No way.
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#Just making sure I have this straight
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#WMF intends for...
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#Wikipedia:Flow.23Planned features - VisualEditor
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#Grave stares
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#Wikitext solution
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Maths
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Wikiformat in threads
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/What about all the nice things Wikitext offers us? Will they be available in Flow?
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/Markup-mode *needed* in editor
Miscellaneous
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 1#Effect on Special:Statistics (Ballooning page counts)
Subpages
[edit]Dates and timestamps
[edit]- Signatures and timestamps and other
- Extension:Flow (CLDR)
- mw:Thread:Talk:Flow Portal/Interactive Prototype/Comment format
- (tangential w:Wikipedia talk:Notifications/Archive_5#Timestamps)
Signatures and avatars
[edit]- User talk:Jorm (WMF)/Archive 1#Custom signatures & FLOW
- Flow Portal/FAQ#What happens to my custom signature?
- Flow Portal/Research (2 small mentions)
- Flow Portal/Research/User Test Data (many small mentions)
- w:Wikipedia_talk:Flow/Archive_4#Signatures
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Design FAQ (a few comments)
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Interactive prototype#Anonymous users with only IP addresses will get confusing
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 2#Prototype has a very strong emphasis on author, not on message
- Flow/Avatars (all by Isarra atm.)
- Thread:Talk:Flow/Avatars (particularly the last post)
- DO NOT do avatars! Stupid idea (we should focus on discussion content). Thanks. --Gryllida 22:26, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
- I concur with Gryllida. →Στc. 22:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Edit summaries
[edit]- comment about edit summaries at Ptwiki
- Topic about "Flow does not provide edit summaries"
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive 7#Edit summaries
- ee-flow:Edit summaries
mingle:Add context to watchlist entries- Quiddity, Card 634 does not exist.! --Gryllida
- Very weird. I can't see it whilst logged-in, either. card 690 seems to be the closest thing remaining, plus this trello card. Quiddity (WMF) (talk)
- Quiddity, Card 634 does not exist.! --Gryllida
Unread posts
[edit]- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive_6#Flow and huge watch lists?
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive_6#Finding unread comments
- w:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive_7#Stopping the development
- ee-flow:How will I find out whether you reply?
- ee-flow:Hello world!
Titlebar info
[edit]Permalinks and internal links
[edit]- https://trello.com/c/WT8GymA1/ - Snapshot permanent links
- en:User:Hhhippo/Flow/Activity_monitor
- en:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive_13#Functions v. Features (was: History and diffs)
- en:Wikipedia_talk:Flow/Archive_12#Snapshots
- en:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive_7#Feature request: show .22Older topics.22 on permalinks
- en:Wikipedia talk:Flow/Archive_8#Links
- Internal link to a thread
- Permalinks
- Flow/Functional Specifications/Boards and Topics#Permalink
Watchlist contents
[edit]- See also #Search and infinite scroll